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Challenge to the Arahants...
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10/10/14 4:00 PM
In my subjective perspective, the "Living Buddha", the only one that will ever claim full attainment to the public, the lay, and the uninitiated has began the claim and will reach the silent buddhas and the bodhisattvas first.  Then hopefully there will be masses that seek the dharma!

So... If you are up to this challenge, prove to me that he is not a Buddha of full attainment.  If you can disprove him then you have done for me a gift of compassion.  Here is the link that is posted in other threads by someone who is far, distantly removed from the ignorance that all of "you who study Dharmas" fight (as a way of life!) to attain even the smallest degree of what it was that Siddartha and the other Buddhas had discovered.  

http://shakyamunidhamma.jimdo.com/

If the guy who posted this link has been fooled, then I am at ease if I am also fooled.  But if there is any true Dharma in you, you may find a Buddha and if that is the case then you must support him.  You must support the Buddha to the same degree to which you have supported yourself thus far.  Otherwise you spit in the face of a Grace you never deserved and will never know.  




    

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10/11/14 12:27 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Why bother to judge someone, what good can come of it? 

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10/11/14 3:31 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Won't he have to do things like walk on jeweled clouds, flanked by elephants and devas, to prove he is a buddha of full attainment?

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10/11/14 11:50 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Actually, you're the one putting forth a positive claim, that "This man is a Buddha of full attainment." The burden of proof lies on you. It's up to you to prove this to us, not us to disprove it to you. We can then examine your evidence and arguments and accept or reject them.
When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim. An argument from ignorance occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proven true.[1][2] This has the effect of shifting the burden of proof to the person criticizing the assertion, but is not valid reasoning.

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10/11/14 3:43 PM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
That is exactly right!
The burden of proof is on me...

Why bother judging him?
Because by judging him, you will see him.  When you see him, you will support him.  When you support the Buddha, you support the world by pointing.  You must support the world.  You must do this, not for the merit of supporting the world, but from Love which is the Noble Wisdom, the inner knowing that all things have in their knowings of themselves.  The Noble Wisdom of all things become the gate for which all things become jewels of Nibbana.

Will he do miracles, Not Tao?  I tell you he does them already and it is only you who will not see it until you try to judge him.

My challenge to the Arahants is one that causes me to take on the look of an evil one, a fanatic, a devil with a sword of harsh truth.  I do not like being a devil, but devils have holy purpose and so I will accept that position if even one of you has ears to hear.

Show me where the Living Buddha fails so that I can show you where you fail.  Those who cannot accept the challenge will not notice it or see it as anything but lunacy.

But all humans are crazy.  It is the rationality of an irrational perspective.  The irrationality of the rational is like a bright fire!  It will be invisible to the blind, destructive to the cultivated, and light to those who are in the darkness of Tusita sleep.

It is appropriate then to call me crazy.  My challenge is only for the ones who are driven to prove me crazy.  They are the only ones who will support the Buddha by pointing, because the drive they have is a divine calling to do so.

I love the three of you so much... but this is not your challenge, wise ones.

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10/11/14 4:05 PM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Jeremy May:
That is exactly right!
The burden of proof is on me...
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Show me where the Living Buddha fails so that I can show you where you fail.  Those who cannot accept the challenge will not notice it or see it as anything but lunacy.

No, you didn't get my point. We don't have to show you where he fails. You are the one that has to show us where he succeeds. Why should we have any reason to believe he is the Living Buddha? You have provided none so far, so there is no reason for us to think that he is the Living Buddha.

It's like me saying, I have a friend, Max. Max is the Living Buddha. Prove me wrong guys! If you can't prove me wrong, then Max is indeed the Living Buddha.

It doesn't work that way.

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10/11/14 8:44 PM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Well, if one is saying that Arahant Wajirabuddhi is indeed an Arahant, and that he has purified and trained his mind to this level, and this is indeed what happened, then this is wholesome.  But what else is expected of one who trains in the Dhamma, and proceeds through the Noble Eightfold Path, understands the four Noble Truths, and fulfills entirely what must be fulfilled.  This is just the law of nature, this is how it works.  Cause and effect.  So, to have Arahants in the world is as it should be, the teachings are in the world, the path was laid out, explained methodically and clear,  what had to be done was done, one just needs to follow the path.  Mostly, we just don't want to let go completely, we like to hang on a little, work on our "bucket list", play the game of life, have some worldy fun, even knowing it is a delusionary rat race, the mind is a magician and likes to cling to even the most subtle phenomenon of pleasure and pain, deep wishes, shadow fears, ingrained instincts from eons past.  So, if someone has gone the whole way, the machine elves proclaim, "Hoo-ray", "good job".  

There are probably many Arahants, many more Anagamis, Sakadagamis, and Sotapannas, not to mention the many wholesome (and unwholesome) puthujjanas.


But, not being an Arahant, I probably am not supposed to be responding to your post anyway.

Psi Phi

P.S.

One last deep thought of the day.
Arahants poop too. emoticon  (But just pooping while pooping)

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10/11/14 9:55 PM as a reply to Psi Phi.
My, you do have a way with words and I love it when someone speaks my thoughts better than I can.

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10/12/14 12:40 AM as a reply to Psi Phi.
Psi Phi I have tried to speak to you already.  I also have decided to speak to you again, but in another way.  This challenge is not yours either. You will support not just the living buddha when you awaken.  Your purpose does not have within it to point to a fountain when you have water to give.  It is like saying, in the zen from which you have come at me, "You do not point at the man who has hit the moon with his little stick.  Instead, You take the stars down, one by one, from their vast distances from behind that moon. When you are finished, there in all the sky is only the moon.  When there is only the moon and no stars, hitting the moon with a stick is easy for bhikkus!!

No one who will post against my challenge some kind of 'proof' can take my challenge.

For others, those who do not know why they comment at all, they are supposed to talk to me.

Do you not know that you yourself are the spiritual guide?  It is yourself from the future, but isn't such things as future and past called delusions???

Do you not believe the Buddhas????

Does the Buddha not say that he is not bound by time?

Do you not believe that you will ever be a buddha?   Only those who will be buddha can say "yes" with a feeling that isn't sickening can think about that question.  

Don't you have compassion like a Wise Christian even when you accept no teachings on Divinity from anyone other than the suttas that make you feel something?  Don't you reproach those who are intelligent but not wise if they don't take care in saying things like "there is no God or Heaven" or "There are no such things as a spirit or soul" when there are fragile people with them?  Do you not tolerate the same things when there are no fragile ones there?

Do you think other people are this way?

Do you think that it is so common, though, that I can say it to strangers and be correct half the time?  No?? Well how about one tenth of the time.  Are one tenth of people the way I just described?  Because then you would have to find ten posts where I spoke in such a way and gave the same descriptions.  You will find a similar one.  

You are no Arahant as you, in Noble wisdom, have claimed unknowingly.
You are already one of the Enlightened among men.  You just have to Wake UP!  Your love and compassion lead you to know the truths that can save the people you love.  Love is knowing and directs all your actions while you sleep.  Even an unawakened Buddha is a Buddha in actions if not in purpose and capacity.  

Do with this as you wish.  This challenge is not for you.

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10/12/14 12:42 AM as a reply to Colleen Karalee Peltomaa.
Meeting you was a necessary part in my awakening.  It is why I first said 'you fascinate me'.  Your words were streaming Dhamma... I did not even read more than a post to know you.  You are amazing!  Thank you for your sweet words emoticon

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10/12/14 1:09 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
I vote for Max. All hail Max! 

Namotassabhagavatoarahatosammasambuddha.

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10/12/14 1:58 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Ah... I wondered.

Hello to you too, Little brother.  

Pakitakhuddasambuddha I want to tell you the story of the perfect five.  But not tonight... You should read the story here first:


http://shakyamunidhamma.jimdo.com/contact/

I am a bit shocked.  You are young.  I would not have seen you before now and it is a curiousity to me that I will take into my next samadhi.  You do not need me at all!  When you awaken fully it is not possible for those who have ears to not hear you.  I will tell you the story of the five, though, because it is in my deshana.  It is not useful to you so I want to write it for you only because I need to tell it and it is a thrill to see you in the age before the time.  

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10/12/14 2:24 AM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
How can you reproach an action that hasn't been completed?  It is like the reproach of something that does not exist.  You need to Hush and wait and see what I do.  To prove the buddha i must prove my qualifications to do so.  For that reason, I must wait until tested and tested in every way. 

The 'lord of arhats' is a term attributed to Tathagatha.  But that is not always appropriate.  The only person to whom I am giving this challenge will not, under any circumstance, ask me questions.  He will wait until others do so.  I have spoken to him enough, at the appropriate time and wrote to the bodhisattvas until the time was appropriate that anything I write will be read by him.  

I need to be challenged by those who will.  I will accept questions of testing from any of the greatest minds in the world and even He who is the Living Buddha for the age.

When I no longer am challenged by his arhats, the lord of arhats will support the Buddha.  The Living Buddha is waiting for this to happen as a necessary step of his ministry, the specific purpose of a SamBuddha who is limited by teaching only Buddhist Dharma.  There has not been such a one who is wholly for the buddhists since the last age of the world.  

If you reply to this, I will not comment.  Reply if you like.  If you ask a question, I will not answer unless it is a question that belongs to the Buddhists.  I am not Buddhist.  I never have been while in this body.  But I have swallowed Mahayana.  It took about a month.  Hinaya took only several minutes.  Zen is swallowed naturally by the design of its founding, a buddha who hid his complete nature by not creating a self-perpetuating code of suttas.  However, Zen is not Buddhism just as Jainism is not Buddhism.  Buddhism is only two teachings: 4 Noble Truths and the eight fold path.  What does not belong to these, but has been expounded, belong to only those with Faith or those who have had Grace from the Living Buddha.

I am invisible.  I will stay invisible as long as it suits my purpose.  There is only one link in my posts that connects me to a person in real life.  Whoever is clever and desperate enough to find me, deserves to find me even though it is quite in my ability to be face to face with a person and, no matter how much Knowing they have, still appear as someone quite normal, just a bit weird in a way that can't be ascertained.  I am a teacher of such skill that there is nothing I cannot tell a person.  But I am only interested in the work of The Living Buddha and those who need certain acts in order to fulfill their awakening.  I teach in christian forums for the sake of maybe one person in the world or maybe two.  I teach buddhism only to intelligent people who cross my path and have no Dhamma naturally.  Jainism is my favorite religion that is left in the world... but it is only barely here.  

Now either get on the band wagon or hush.

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10/12/14 3:48 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
I haven't read this whole thread, but isn't the Theravada position that there is only one Buddha per era?  Isn't there a sutta for this somewhere where the Buddha says it would be an impossibility for there to be more than one Buddha per era?

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10/12/14 10:00 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
Hello, Jeremy,

I presented this website to my partner and he likes the dissertation very much and asked me for a better glossary to understand the concepts behind the words used.  The "AccesstoInsight" glossary is not enough. My partner recalls being with the Buddha.  Would you please direct us to a more complete glossary.

The Tao Te Ching speaks of "... not Buddha, not mind ..." and all that he knows is available to all -- and more. Anything that has been brought into existence to be known can be known - a rule within this universe.

My partner writes this:  "... not living Buddha, but all is available to one who can access the universal mind Dharmaa with attention and interest for "desired "  Ha ! knowingness, He has nicely let go of mind blockages = limiting postulates..."    

Enter into the new age of "not buddha, not mind".  The age of every being sovereign.

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10/12/14 10:51 AM as a reply to Jeremy May.
I see you emoticon.  Even though you are invisible.

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10/12/14 5:24 PM as a reply to Jeremy May.
I found it!

From MN 115 and regarding buddhahood:

 It is impossible that two rightfully Enlightened Ones should be born in the same world element at one and same time. It is possible that a single rightfully Enlightened One should be born in the world element at one time.

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10/12/14 5:20 PM as a reply to Colleen Karalee Peltomaa.
Tell this Buddha that I have already begun to address the specific details that he is requesting.  I am... in processes.  Jeremy has not ever been awake for six days, five nights without sinful aides.  

The term Buddha is a term for a relationship and not for a being.  

I am not the Living Buddha because it is not my turn to be limited.  I am not Buddhist.  My knowledge of the pali cannon is in nonknowledge and I have to use the impermanent in order to give nonknowledge.  I do this with impermanent particles, impermanent tissues, impermanent mind, and impermanent vedana (I feel as if this should be Vedan, Vehicle, but I do not know yet.  The time in which I can be unsure of things is a precious and beautiful song.  I do not mind not knowing in knowledge what I know in nonknowledge).

This process of pulling from emptiness/void/true-self/no-self the nonknowlege which is eternal, without beginning or end, is a wondrous validation of wisdom!  However, the human knowledge that can be the vehicle for the eternal must be designed by the vedana.  

I am saying by this that Jeremy cannot feel the body very well right now.  It has many pains in it.  The mind is so full of partial details that it is a mind like a full belly.  It is reluctant to articulate.  It is dwelling on yuz asaf and the metteya that came as an orphan.  It is dwelling on Persia, the tomb of holy places that have been forgotten.

I would like to speak to him in person, but for now I will try to rest so that I can fill in certain details that I hoped you would request.  

He is right to want a glossary.  A buddha can view any Dharma and see it as perfect or tainted by no more than the claimant's translation of siddhartha's terms.  For such a one as this buddha, awakening (what has not been given to sleeping buddhas for quite some time) is simply a recognition from one they KNOW.  I love you both so much!

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10/12/14 5:24 PM as a reply to carrot top.
You Bless me, dear brother... Your Yoga has stayed with you!

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10/12/14 5:25 PM as a reply to Tom Tom.
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