Luciano de Noeme Imoto:
I will repeat what I wrote to Tarin on http://groups.google.com.au/group/actualism/:
in which case, i will reprint, in full and without textual alterations, my reply to you there:
LUCIANO: First, I´m not taoist and/or buddhist.
That "stillness" is only apparent to our mind. Like "perfection", it is a concept, a teleological concept, indeed.
TARIN: the 'stillness' and 'perfection' may indeed be concepts, or teleological concepts, that exist in 'your' mind.
yet, those concepts are not the stillness and perfection which do exist as features of the actual world.
it is good that that 'you' are not a taoist or a buddhist.. and the sooner 'you' are done being a materialist, the sooner 'you' may comprehend the above.
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LUCIANO: Life is movement, vibration, pulse, change, transformation, combustion and so on. Nothing in the material / physical universe seems to be in a matter/energy stillness state.
TARIN: that is correct; nothing
in the material / physical universe is in a matter/energy stillness state.
it is the universe itself that is still.
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LUCIANO: Actual freedom is a mutation in the human conscience´s evolutionary scale, and evolution never stop.
TARIN: so as to not encourage you to fritter away your time intellectualising, for which you have time and again demonstrated a
strong propensity, i will decline addressing this point and instead recommend that you come back and talk about this particular issue (of what an actual freedom is, or isn't) when you're speaking from the marvellous experience itself rather than a grandiose vision of it. here are the criteria:
you have become actually free ('you' have gone entirely into the oblivion of the actual world).
you experience no affective feelings at all, and so experience no malice or sorrow, or their antidotal pacifiers, love or compassion, or affective felicity.
you experience no feeling of 'i' at all, and thus experience apperceptively, and so experience the infinity and eternity and perpetuity of the universe directly.
though, as experiencing apperceptively is what reveals the stillness i keep talking about (which is clearly currently going over 'your' head), then doing the above as recommended ought to resolve the matter for you.
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LUCIANO: Maybe you are mistaking eternal time with no movement in the space...
TARIN: no, i am fully cognisant of those movements which, occurring of matter and in space, do nothing to inhibit the *stillness*[1] that the infinitude, which this infinite and *eternal* and perpetual universe actually is, exudes.[2]
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LUCIANO: I will not keep this informations above - also very simple to be confirmed by the senses and directly experienceable by any sensible person - only with me ;-)
Your "actual world" seems to be a stillness mind growing up from subjective experiences.
TARIN: hmm.. given that it was richard who pointed out the stillness to me in no uncertain terms, i suppose you also think that richard's "'actual world' seems to be a stillness mind growing up from subjective experiences."
if so, then perhaps a re-evaluation of your stance toward actualism - and its goal of actual freedom - is in order?
though, if you are where i suspect you are on the path, you are either already doing that re-evaluation or are extremely resistant to doing it.
it's 'your' call as to whether 'you' let the chips fall where they may (and experience this all unfold), or continue to wrestle 'yourself' for control (and thereby remain in existence), or deem the endeavour unsuitable and renounce it entirely.
tarin
[1] rather, those vibrant motions do much to express the stillness.
[2] exude: To exhibit in abundance.
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ps. by 'endeavour', above, i meant that of accomplishing an actual freedom.