Beoman Beo Beoman:
Could someone help clear something up? What exactly is the difference between the 'good' emotions, which are sought to be eliminated along with the 'bad' ones, and 'felicitous' ones, which are sought to be cultivated?
functionally speaking, the former (the 'good' feelings) are identity-reinforcing while the latter (the felicitous feelings) are first identity-loosening, then identity-abandoning; phenomenologically speaking, the former (the 'good' feelings) feel (generally) blissful while the latter (the felicitous feelings) feel joyous (and feel less and less at all the more felicitous they become).
while it is blissful to sustain oneself in bliss, it is supremely joyous to go out of existence.
Beoman Beo Beoman:
Also, not sure if this is related: why, upon AF, is what remains[1] a constant fun, wonder, joy, naïveté (...)
upon an actual freedom from the human condition of fear and malice and sorrow, what remains is not a constant fun, wonder, joy, naivete (or any other actually felicitous qualities which are approximated by felicitous feelings) but is an unobstructed potential (in a manner of speaking only) for those conditions to present themselves at any given moment (as there never occur other conditions which would hinder those conditions' arising; there is never, for example, any irritation here whatsoever, and i mean this entirely unequivocally - there is nothing that self-liberates).
in the actual universe, nothing lasts but nothing is lost.
Beoman Beo Beoman:
(...) and not merely a complete neutrality - that is, a lack of those things, along with the lack of all emotions[2]?
have a look at the correspondence richard had with 'no. 110' on the actual freedom mailing list back in 2006. i suggest beginning at 11 may (
direct link) and reading carefully through to 13 june (which ends with the words 'seamless inherence').
of course, a pce could demonstrate what is described there directly.
Beoman Beo Beoman:
As I understand it, even those felicitous feelings/emotions fade in a PCE/AF.
they more than fade.. they vanish entirely.
Beoman Beo Beoman:
And to perhaps connect the two: what is it about the felicitous feelings that leads to the PCE?
as 'i' am 'my feelings' (and 'they' are 'me'), and as felicitous feelings are first identity-loosening (they demonstrate, experientially, that 'i' do not have to hold tight to the reins in order for things to be fine, and well, and safe) then identity-abandoning (as not holding tight to the reins demonstrates, experientially, that the reins could very well be lost completely), can you now understand what it is about felicitous feelings that leads to the pce?
it is both ridiculously safe and fun to be here.. where all of us are, as humans, but a poorly-placed footstep away from paralytic injury, and a missed heartbeat or two from utter oblivion.
tarin