Before proceeding further, I think we should talk about what "vibrations" are, since it seems to me that we may be talking about different things, or having some other miscommunication.
Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem:
As to things that "turn into vibrations when seen more clearly", I don't think those are vibrating at all until you try to 'see them more clearly' somehow. Maybe if I put it this way: there is this 'reality' which is illusory. If you try to see it more clearly it will start vibrating. But it is an illusion anyway. The actual world (the one experienced in a PCE) doesn't vibrate. Now I don't think 'reality' is (illusorily) vibrating either unless you decide to try noticing it in a particular meditative way, at which point it certainly will start (illusorily) vibrating, at least in my experience and yours as well it seems ("turn into vibrations when seen more clearly").
What you're describing sounds, in some ways, like the opposite of what I'm talking about. To borrow your language...
'Reality' is an illusion. Sometimes it seems like a constant, unchanging illusion. Meditating, it can be seen that 'reality' is not constant and unchanging, but that it
goes away. When it goes away, it's said to vibrate. If it appears that the actual world and the actual senses are vibrating, rather than 'reality', this is a delusion born the nature of 'reality', gone unchecked by insufficient analysis.
If you don't believe that 'reality' is vibrating unless it's seen that way, then, to me, things seem like this:
No vibrations observed = more 'reality'
Slow vibrations observed = less 'reality'
Fast vibrations observed = even less 'reality'!
No 'reality' = no vibrations observed (for a different reason)
The more solid the experience of 'reality', the more of it there is!
(There is another case, where a person meditates and suddenly experiences all kinds of vibrations where there was nothing before: gross, strobing visceral sensations, perhaps extremely rapid and serially-experienced, for example. In this case, the previous explanation doesn't hold. 'Reality' is disappearing, but only because the person is creating a whole lot of it that wasn't previously there. But this isn't what I've been talking about.)
How what I'm saying appears to differ from what you think I'm saying:
Maybe if I put it this way: there is this 'reality' which is illusory. If you try to see it more clearly it will start vibrating.
You seem to think of vibrations as some new feature of 'reality' that appears when you meditate, whereas I mean vibrations are experienced when 'reality' stops being experienced as a constant thing and starts disappearing. They feel like they vibrate (in the sense of being tactile) because 'reality' appears as a feeling in the body, and, constantly being cut off, it gives off the impression of some kind of pulsation.
Are we disagreeing about what vibrations are, or are we referring to completely different phenomena?
Your perspective on vibrations, as I understand it, sounds to me like the one I had until I started analyzing the phenomenon in a different way / more deeply. But, let me know what you think.
Also...
End in Sight:
Analogously, if you zone out and don't experience very much, do you think your sense experiences aren't there by that fact? Why / why not?
Hmm... good question. I might say experience requires being conscious of something, so the sense
experience isn't happening at that point (as you're not very conscious of it) even though the physical senses themselves are still operating.
I meant it more as an empirical question, not a philosophical one. If you zone out, where do the sensory experiences go? Do they exist somewhere, or nowhere?
My observation: "zoning out" is when a big chunk of 'reality' arises and obscures sensory experiences. If this is observed, it's experienced as one big vibration of 'reality' (with the sensory experiences still there). If this isn't observed, 'reality' is so all-encompassing that one merely reports a non-vibrating, static "nothing" (but it isn't really nothing, it is 'nothing', an experience-as-if-nothing-were-there). (Sensory experiences are there, I think, but this can only be confirmed retrospectively.) Observation makes it experienced as a vibration, because the vibration is just the gap in 'reality' that allows it to be seen clearly.
Thus it seems to me your way of seeing things more clearly is creating vibrations in the process. Particularly with #4 where you say solid things "turn into vibrations when seen more clearly". If you're going in the opposite direction - towards actuality - then solid things actually stay pretty solid/become more solid as you're seeing things more clearly
At this point, let's assume that our usage of "solid" may be quite different as well.
This is turning out to be a fun convo! Cheers.
Yes, but I wish it were more linear. Let's try a few more rounds, and if we're still working on basic things, let's arrange for an IM convo? (If we're going to spend time on this, even if the prospects don't look good, then, let's maximize the chance that it will be helpful to others.)
(Made some minor edits; I think that's all.)