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8/17/13 10:27 AM
This thread will probably be deleted. Just saying.

I fucking hate all you fucking losers who are so happy and making so much progress on the path and becoming enlightened. Obviously you have been blessed with good karma and are enjoying the fruits of your labor.

I fucking hate all the people who go on about love and shit. There is no love or compassion in this world. Its empty and void.

I fucking hate all stupid fucking teachers of dharma who talk big but in the end don't give a shit about their students and won't help them when they ask for help. Instead they give stupid fucking creptic answers that juts frustrate. Fuck off you mother fucking wrathful bitches. I hate all of you.

I hate all you people who go on about how wonderful your life is since you have "achieved arahatship or 4th path or whatever" Fuck off you proud arrogant bastards who love making other people miserable.

Basically fuck off everyone.

Except maybe James Yen and CCC. Their stuff is basically the only rational shit I have seen on this site.

Once again,

Fuck off. I hate all of you.

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8/17/13 11:15 AM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
Hey ADR,

Sometimes I feel very similarly, only's it's more of a "fuck off, me. Why do I meditate? This is crazy. Isn't this why we have coffee shops?" Anyway, the changes to me have been slow and useful, but by no means would anyone look at me and think, "Oh, wunderkind... teach me." That's good.

If you're seeing hubris and claims, no worries. Everyone has their own stuff to do.

Anyway, good luck. If there's a better duhhka post, I don't know it. I'm glad you put it here. I'm also glad we're not seeing each other in person.

I'd also like to say-- again-- though I experienced the mental release of stream-entry in 2012-- there's a lot of trouble that comes with stream-enters. Look at the fetters around them...craving, desire, ill-will... not pretty stuff. So it's work, strange work. I feel very lucky when I can afford to just go to the coffee shop or take a walk, just enjoy air, sky, seeing a pair of ravens hopping along the road for food, you know-- just that stuff, simple right here, not knowing what I don't know/experience.

Best wishes,
Katy

{oh yeah, and James, I also liked his take, his candor, but I think he caused work for mods and maybe confusion to people new to the forum?

and, C C C, he's still around thankfully}

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8/17/13 11:45 AM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
I have not attained anything so I'm in the same boat as you.

Here are some things that you'll find helpful :

# Angulimaal, who is a benchmark for bad karma, also attained liberation. If he can, anyone can.

# Never Compare with anyone else. Each one of us is a unique collection of Sankharas, and we're bound to be different in all superficial aspects. Comparison will only create more dukkha and lead to dissatisfaction.

# Take solace in the teaching, and not teachers.

# Watch out of negative emotions such as anger, ill will, greed, hatred or lust and neutralize them before they take over. These are food for dukkha.

# Abandon the desire to attain SE or Arahantship (anything in future) and just fully experience and explore everything there is in this moment.

# Lastly, regardless of whether you attain anything, you're still walking towards the goal. One step forward is still one step forward. Better go forward than go back, right ? If you work hard in this life, your karma will ensure you're able to continue where you left in the next life. This is why some people attain SE with just a little push while others take so long. The first step is to take responsibility of your own stock of actions that have created the present situation.

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8/17/13 12:46 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
Some of us have given you non-cryptic advice for FREEEEEEEEE!

A Vipassana Failure

So why don't you pay a psychologist $100/hour for less helpful information and GTFO?

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8/17/13 1:25 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
Been there. If you have been deceived by some teaching or teacher, take the opportunity to learn a valuable lesson and don't fall for it again. As hard as it may be to face this particular truth, realize that this kind of abuse requires your active and willing participation. Figure out how it happened.

Once you see the pattern of abuse, you acquire some modicum of protection. For instance, I realized that when I am at my most miserable, I risk being deceived by promises of salvation. When I want something very desperately, I risk becoming a victim of those who claim to have it.

When I had similar feelings to those you are expressing, perhaps even more desperate and vitriolic, I found some comfort in reading "Saints and Psychopaths" by Bill Hamilton (I actually only read the "psychopaths" part). Ultimately what helped was to quit whining and take responsibility for the stuff I decided to do with my life; to pay homage to my mistakes by avoiding at all costs to repeat them.

Good luck.

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8/17/13 2:09 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
What used to help me was:
  1. Notice how 99% of the sensations you're feeling right now are actually not a problem.
  2. Remember the positives in your life.
  3. Don't forget the small comforts that keep you sane - like a nice cup of tea/coffee.
  4. Just surrender to reality as it is.

We all had to pull ourselves kicking and screaming out of suffering.

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8/18/13 7:05 AM as a reply to B B.
B B:
What used to help me was:
  1. Notice how 99% of the sensations you're feeling right now are actually not a problem..



And there's a good chance you can get rid of the 1% by discovering the world of:

- physical exercise
- restrained eating
- metta or equivalent
- wearing a smile
- adjusting your walk to put the heels first (free foot massage!)
- keeping your back straight

so essentially part of the world of sila, as I understand it.

Basically tweak your day so that it feels as healthy as possible. Even that last point about the back can make the difference between chilling out and posting a "Fuck Off" thread. Don't underestimate the potential of even minor physical discomfort to kick the ass of your meditative progress, as measured in happiness.

EDIT: Sorry about the formatting, no idea why it came out this way.

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8/17/13 3:11 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
How does it help you to be jealous or envious or hateful of people who are happier than you? Think about it.

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8/17/13 3:28 PM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Thank you all for your responses. I appreciate your sincerity and kindness. I think I had some issues coming up I didn't want to deal with and so I vented steam in the wrong way. So please accept my apologies.

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8/17/13 9:04 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
ADR, you have written posts like this quite a few times. I have written similar ones in the past and I don't judge you for writing them because i know that the mind is totally malleable, this isn't the "real you" and neither is any set of personality characteristics or actions or whatever. So you can forget about being sorry or worrying that you are stuck the way you are or anything like that.

What you do have to realize is that every time you follow (believe in) your thoughts and moods to the extent of writing posts like these you are setting yourself up for similar failure in the future. When thoughts and emotions like these come up, notice them, experience them, but don't get into a struggle with them. Don't "invite them to tea" as they say in Zen.

In my experience if you no longer invite a certain belief or emotion to tea (instead just noticing it when it comes up, and letting it take its natural course) then it will simply become more and more peripheral to the point where it is not emphasized at all by your attention. It will just be like any other sensation in the body, just a happening in awareness without any meaning or importance given to it. Without the emphasis and the visceral holding of the sensation of the thought it simply won't bother you anymore.

Obviously you are dealing with thoughts along the lines of "my practice isn't working, everyone else knows something I don't, i have to figure out (through analysis) how to practice correctly". When such thoughts arise, simply stop giving them importance as described above, be impeccable in your heedfulness remembering the suffering they have caused you in the past.



http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Opening_Dhamma_Eye1.php
The Buddha, having contemplated his mind, gave up the two extremes of practice - indulgence in pleasure and indulgence in pain - and in his first discourse expounded the Middle Way between these two. But we hear his teaching and it grates against our desires. We're infatuated with pleasure and comfort, infatuated with happiness, thinking we are good, we are fine - this is indulgence in pleasure. It's not the right path. Dissatisfaction, displeasure, dislike and anger - this is indulgence in pain. These are the extreme ways which one on the path of practice should avoid.

These 'ways' are simply the happiness and unhappiness which arise. The 'one on the path' is this very mind, the 'one who knows'. If a good mood arises we cling to it as good, this is indulgence in pleasure. If an unpleasant mood arises we cling to it through dislike - this is indulgence in pain. These are the wrong paths, they aren't the ways of a meditator. They're the ways of the worldly, those who look for fun and happiness and shun unpleasantness and suffering.

The wise know the wrong paths but they relinquish them, they give them up. They are unmoved by pleasure and pain, happiness and suffering. These things arise but those who know don't cling to them, they let them go according to their nature. This is right view. When one knows this fully there is liberation. Happiness and unhappiness have no meaning for an Enlightened One.

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9/23/13 3:47 PM as a reply to Adam Dietrich Ringle.
I've been there, know how it felt for me at the time although I wasn't even aware of any kind of spirituality at the time.

I say go with it, it's as valid an attempt to find what you're searching for as any other. In my experience its one that not only does not work but also upsets others and so ultimately upsets ourselves, and I think we all instinctively know that even at the time. But in attempting this as a release and ultimately hoping it will make us feel better, we get to witness the feedback from life which demonstrates how interconnected everything is, how much our state of well-being (happiness) depends on the well-being of all those around us, and it basically give a fantastic insight into why all those does and don'ts exist as they do in the 8 fold path / precepts.

A true demonstration of understanding, for me, comes in the form of compassion when it is needed most. Don't worry about all that achievement stuff if you don't see a little compassion emoticon Good luck buddy!