triple think:
So, just in these recent hours I have come to an ever deeper appreciation of what is meant by 'conceiving' and what is meant by 'not conceiving' in so many ways that I think I could probably write books about it for several lifetimes without leaving the topic. But enough about me!
can you explain, in somewhat shorter format than that, what appreciation you have come to of what is meant by 'conceiving' and 'not conceiving'?
triple think:
So, what do you good people think?
i think that there would be far less confusion in buddhist communities with regard to what samkhya notions[1] are if this discourse you reference were upheld as the standard by which to discern the understanding as prescribed. and yet, the likelihood that all who propagate buddhist practices will accept it as such and orient themselves thither is slim, given that they are already elsewise committed, and so the confusion and comparitivism and argumentation and charitably passive disagreement will likely continue as they do.
triple think:
Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears?
in dispelling samkhya notions? yes.
triple think:
Can you see relevance for effective noting practice?
particularly so.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] determining the essential efficacy of any given technique?
to determine a technique's essential efficacy for dispelling samkhya notions? yes.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to determining] arisings and passings, causes and effects?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions prevent a practitioner from comprehending arisings and passings, causes and effects.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] achieving the PCE?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions are what currently prevent a practitioner from inducing a pce.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] developing and perfecting concentration and insight?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions are preventing a practitioner from developing concentration and insight.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] penetrating the subtle workings of causal and resultant kamma or of comprehending dependent conditionality?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions are preventing a practitioner from attending to the subtle workings of causal and resultant kamma or from comprehending dependent conditionality.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] walking the straight and narrow path and eventually laying down the burden[?]
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions are distracting a practitioner from walking the straight and narrow path that leads to them laying down the burden as prescribed.
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] perfecting the great way of a Bodhisattva and becoming a Buddha?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions preclude boddhisattvic activities (parami-accumulation) which are believed to lead to buddhahood (in a future existence).
triple think:
[Do you think this pointing instruction as essential as it appears to] resolving knotty issues within dualities and nondualities?
it is essential to whatever extent samkhya notions reinforce or reify those knotty issues for a practitioner.
triple think:
The question for everyone is, in simplest terms, in regards to conceiving or conception and not conceiving or non-conception, in regards to this pointing instruction, what is getting it, doing it and getting it done?
in regard to this pointing instruction, getting it means acknowledging that as comprehension of phenomena alone leads to the understanding prescribed, then comprehension of phenomena alone is the practice prescribed.
in regard to this pointing instruction, doing it means comprehending phenomena.
in regard to this pointing instruction, getting it done means comprehending phenomena to the extent that no craving, aversion, or delusion arises to condition (a lack of) comprehension, and so the understanding as prescribed - being the comprehension of phenomena without passion, aversion, or delusion - is attained.
further, in regard to this pointing instruction, getting it done completely means comprehending phenomena to the extent that the operating conditions are known as clearly as is possible, and their knowledge applied as masterfully as is possible.
further still, in regard to this pointing instruction, getting it done beyond completely means then (physically) dying.
triple think:
Further, in what ways and to what extent can this practice be applied?
in whichever ways the practice of comprehension (without conception) are understood by its practitioners, and to whatever extent its practitioners are willing to apply it. the permutations seem many and i don't purport to know the intricacies of all possible proclivities, fascinations, and desires.
i hear that done and done-erer made for a pretty bad prequel anyway.
tarin
[1] as explained in the referenced discourse's translator's introduction.