| | Author: Ryguy913
Ah! Excellent. Thank you for the correction, Jackson. I didn't read carefully enough. Hmm....so, then it seems there are is no class of arahants, according to Ven. Ajahn Lee, who have not attained the knowledge that does away with mental effluents. However, according to my reasoning, that doesn't necessarily mean they have done away with those effluents, rather they have attained the knowledge that bestows upon them that ability.
So, I suppose the characteristics I cited are consistent with both the Limited Emotional Model and the model supported by many here on the DhO. In other words, an arahant who has made full use of their power has done away with mental effluents completely (Limited Emotional Model, yes?), and yet one can be an arahant and still be working through mental effluents left to do away with (still note/feel/exhibit/struggle with anger, lust, worry, doubt, etc.), but every class of arahant's release ushers in a previously undeveloped power to do away with those hindrances.
Or am I completely wrong about any sort of equivalency between mental effluents and emotions? If mental effluents are the last vestiges remaining between a heart ensnared and complete unbinding, then are the hindrances gone (Limited Emotional Model) or are they merely no longer hindrances (no longer obstacles to release, no longer clung to though still experienced)? I'm not actually looking for an answer here on this thread, per se, instead motivated by an interest in seeing what the real obstacles to awakening are....in other words, how we treat emotions seems to have a great deal of importance in terms of how we proceed with practice, and our definitions of awakening and what that involves seem to play a big role in shaping how with treat emotions.
Even as I write, I notice a shift occurring, a pervading sense of calm -- suggesting that perhaps merely working with these questions supports movement toward release. |