Hi Marius,
Or should I say Catalin? No one else I know of talks about Satan and other dimensions quite like you.
I enjoyed your post, and have no problem with the "wall of words". But I'll break down this wall here, for comments and questions to (hopefully) clarify some things.
Marius says-
I think the discussion level on this forum is simply pathetic, taking into consideration this thread general characteristics as the average. I shouldn't be surprised though for the pursuit of actual freedom is basically a franchise type of endeavour, not leaving much room for individual creativity or originality, the work of art of an 110 IQ repetitive individual.
Gardol says-
An intellectual plodder. I don't remember if Ricky admitted to that number, but if he only has only 110 IQ, that explains a lot. And I don't think he uses all of it.
Your franchise description aligns with my own description of it as a multi-level marketing enterprise in consciousness. Good for people who get on board the boat in time, the rest get stuck with books, DVD's, and feelings of envy.
Marius-
What boils down to in the end is a do it yourself self-help thing that achieves 'success' by undoing the self. And 'success' means becoming an obsessive compulsive freak fixated on undoing the social conditioning to the cent and, for the hardcore participants, the instinctual one. It's a circular process, you cannot escape the snake biting its tail analogy.
Gardol-
I think I get you, but for clarification, please identify what you mean by the snake head, and snake tail, in your analogy.
But yeah, it consumes itself, I made the same point in a different way at over at Yahoo's AF forum.
We will not get to "world peace" in this way. Please allow me to at least burst that bubble with the pin prick of rationality.
Marius-
You people here have shifted focus from pursuing the Bomb, aka Enlightenment, to chasing the void, longing to become nothingness, non-entities, with a brainwashed brain in control and a libido-free sex life, orgiastic fantasies not included in the deal.
Gardol-
For someone who once strongly advocated Actual Freedom, you seem much less impressed now. Did your experience with Ricky and crew change your mind? If not, then what did change your mind?
And by the way "orgiastic fantasies not included"? They were implied though, right? unless I projected that...
Marius-
I have serious reservations that Richard has successfully undone all his instinctual conditioning. Two things spring to mind: power and sex. He is not free from the instinctual root of power as he practically demonstrated at the MSV Actualis Captain elections. Instead of going for a democratic vote, with multiple individual choices, the initiates propped him up as the ship's Captain, probably with backing from the ship's financing team, Tom and Pamela. Real world at its best.
Gardol-
It's Foucault's fault: "The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us."
Richard loves his power, as he amply demonstrates in his writing, and as I presume you saw in person.
And by the way, I would not expect any different result from a democratic vote...
"How many yes-men and yes-women here vote yes to make Richard the Captain?" yes yes yes yes yes
Marius-
I feel sorry for Vineeto as she had to forgo her intially correct common sense/integrity appraisal of the situation because she would have been implicitly ostracized from the only social circle she enjoyed and the lifeboat lifestyle it promised.
Gardol-
Wait a minute! How can you feel sorry for someone who, by definition of AF, remains happy in every moment? Vineeto can't FEEL BAD about that, or DISAPPOINTED, in ANY way, can she?
Please, tell me more.
Marius-
That communal living thing, with non-nuclear couples living together in sweet harmony, sexually liberated probably (the author doesn't make that very clear as it is the inner circle he's talking about), naked as in with nothing to hide, seems to me grotesque. Is anyone's business if I want to keep some things private or prefer a nuclear type sexual relationship?
Gardol-
Of all the sex I have had, I definitely prefer NUCLEAR sex.
Marius-
Out from control indeed. That guy simply committed suicide, killed the male-identity based Self. That avenue is closed. PERIOD. No other male identity on this Terra Cognita will be able to get enlightened in aeons, ever. He is a murderer for he killed and buried Love. The only avenue still open for enlightenment is via a female identity. He simply could have exited the enlightened state if he didn't find it satisfactory. He was under no duress to remain in that exalted state of being, yet because of what he did, we, as a species, are poorer. The earnest moderator on this forum had no other choice but to pursue actual freedom as the enlightened avenue was blocked, done, finished.
Gardol-
I think I keep hitting the same dead-end in my own practice.
The way I break down the separate components of the "self" comes from my teacher. I will list the 4 components below.
1) Attatchment to mental images.
2) Attachment to internal talk.
3) Attachment to emotional feelings
4) Attachment to self sense
Of these four, the last one seems like the most primal and persistent. I have these feelings making up a somatic sense of self inhabiting my body. I talked to my teacher about this sense of self, and I described it as a kind of fog of feeling that went from my head, through my neck and throat, into my chest. That sense of self used to locate only in my head, but through various awakenings I've had, my sense of self inhabits more of my body, sometimes expanding to my whole body and surrounding space. It still usually feels more concentrated in my head, but it has a diaphanous quality. My teacher said if I focused on the sense of self in my mindfulness meditation, then eventually that somatic sense of self would disappear.
This counts as the third time I have spent meditation time focused on the somatic sense of self. Each time I seem to hit a dead end with this practice. I know Kenneth Folk highly recommends this practice as the 2nd Gear of his "three speed transmission". It seems the same as Ramana Maharshi's method advocated in his little book, I can't get to my copy right now to reference it. But I find the practice of observing this sense of self just keeps the sense of self vibrating. Attention does not diminish this sense for me. It seems to just get stronger, and I feel it as an occlusion to perception. I used to groove on it, now it bothers me.
I have not found anyone else, or any group that talks about this stuff. I have noticed that it helps me to focus on the external world. surface of my skin, sights sounds etc. Same as Daniel and Tarin recommend in their talk at Hurricane Ranch. Then I recently entered a state wherein I felt no location of self in my body or in space. It does not match PCE description exactly, but some kind of no-self experience. Can't produce it at will, yet.
I liked it very much, but it took a lot of attention/energy to build up momentum enough to get a lock on it, then I checked in several times- no self sense, no self sense, no self sense. It felt like a reversal of polarity, attention out instead of in, all out, you know, 180 degrees? Oh, no, not 180 degrees again!
Attention! a tension....
Marius-
I am not discussing the PCE attributes, it is a wonderful experience. I'm simply denying the actualist claim as being the best. It is simply the experience of the 5th dimension, Eternity. You have to become a zero to experience that, sort of a dead man, psychologically speaking of course. That fool though that the PCE is higher in its inner essence/characteristics than the direct experience of the 6th dimension, the Nous.
Gardol-
That sounds more like what I experienced, the Nous. That dimension includes Eternity, doesn't it? As each dimension includes the ones before it.
Marius-
Enlightenment is simply one's human id (the informational essence of what one is) experiencing without any blockages or intermediaries the 6th dimension. I had to get through the wall in order to correct what that fool did. I first got enlightened via a female id and then I reestablished contact with the 6th by going into the 7th dimension with my male id. The problem was that Satan was the master of the 7th dimension, I will not delve into what happened there. I entered back into the 6th via the motor function and reconnected it to the 5th, Eternity. I couldn't do it all on affect so I had to partially do it on the motor function.
Gardol-
When you write of enlightenment through the female id, I think of Kenneth Folk's "third gear", of total surrender, or Papaji's advice to "CALL OFF THE SEARCH". Do you mean something else?
Thank you for doing that stealth operation by the way. I can't deal with Satan. I can't even deal with the minor demons because they don't fight fair. If they would fight fair I would kick their asses, but they go for your family instead. Where the Hell is Jesus, anyway? Who else can kick Satan out of the 7th dimension?
I have some property in the 7th dimension, so I would definitely like to live there.
Unfortunately, I think Satan reads all of my posts, so I don't have a lot of leeway for planning in this space.
Marius-
The question I want you to ask yourselves is: where can suicide, no matter the type, can lead to? I answered this question to myself and my answer is simply that one kills his own id, the only structure that withstands death and thus can be informationally developed over multiple lifetimes. It is not (only) the instinctual passions that Richard eliminated, and that is debatable, he simply killed his own id and became a zero.
Gardol-
I don't want to kill my id, I just want to clear out the somatic sense of self (my #4 above) because I think it clogs my guns. It reduces my potential by providing a sticking post for the other three components of self, including the emotional set with fear, anger and sadness as the usual suspects.
Marius-
Development is no longer possible for him, it might be the reason why he thinks he reached the zenith of human achievement, no human, not even in a million years, can surpass his permanent condition... that's the rationale behind his claims.
Gardol-
Thank you. I appreciate that insight from someone who has spent some time with the man. What about his "No psychic vibes in the Actual World" claim? Has he just tuned out?
Marius-
I wrote this long post not in order to endorse enlightenment, which I view it as but a state/condition part of a large repertoire of possible states achievable by a human, but to make it a viable option. I personally experienced it, I liked it, yet I've chosen to pursue other development avenues, sort of an humming bird approach. It's not a question whether enlightenment is flawed or not, or our normal waking state sucks or not, these are simply states that can add or subtract to the general quality of experience, cognitive, emotional, motor, instinctual. It is the developmental needs of the id, which is not the psychological or instinctual entity known as the self, that requires constant sustenance in order to develop its informational and experiential capacity, sort of itsdaily bread.
Gardol-
Have you found anything better than enlightenment? Personally, I think roller-skating beats enlightenment, but I can't roller-skate all the time.
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Proceed in coolness,
Gardol Yack
P.S. We will probably both get banned from this list as heretics.