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ACTUAL FREEDOM - MADE EASY
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6/2/12 8:35 PM
G'day to everyone!

Some time back, I sought out some simple obligation towards the progenitors of Actual Freedom web site, regarding my writings. I was scared by their neutral silence, and I wrongly conceived that they were displeased with me. After further clarifications with them, now I understand that they are always my well wishers, and they are quite happy about me and my work.

So, with pleasure, now I launch my e-book 'ACTUAL FREEDOM - MADE EASY '{please find the attachment}, that includes the earlier removed portions too.

I hereby furnish the downloading links too for my E-book : Actual Freedom - Made Easy.


1. Scribd Portal (Viewing + downloading):

a. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (E-reading version):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84877549


b. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (Print friendly edition):
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84877290


2. Google docs (Viewing + downloading):

a. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (E-reading version):
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-B_O_ms6bsYLXNxQWsyaFdSVUN3NlBJbTExSkthQQ


b. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (Print friendly edition):
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-B_O_ms6bsYOXdjcXdMNDVSOGk5akpNT1ZKMkpqZw


3. Calameo (Flip page reader):


a. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (E-reading version):
http://www.calameo.com/read/001100941868620b67859


b. Actual Freedom - Made Easy (Print friendly edition):
http://www.calameo.com/read/0011009415de3884370ea




Regards,

Justine

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3/11/12 5:49 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Hi Justine,

Could you please elaborate on Q 45. What does 'anger' look like if it still is 'there' in your experience?

Q 4 5 . Do you get angry?
A n s : Anger is there. I look at its uselessness. I use devices on the target that kindles anger. Having applied the necessary action I keep quiet in the still-peace of the actuality.


Edit: And question 87, can you elaborate on what you mean 'feeling':

Q 8 7 . How can one live without feelings?
A n s : I never say stop feeling. But cease ‘being’-psychologically and psychically self-immolate, that is entire affective faculty is extirpated. The psyche itself will be no more. Otherwise a man without feeling will be a ‘psychopath’.


and then later:

Identity
10. Feeling is by affective
faculty. No feeling is not barren and sterile. Cease being is the message.


Are you a man with 'feeling' still? What does 'feeling' mean in this context? Or are you calling a man with being but without feeling a psychopath?


Oh, and what does it mean when you say:

"I was scared by their neutral silence, and I wrongly conceived that they were displeased with me."


How does the experience of being 'scared' play out in your experience?

Edit: Also in the quote of yours below in "A Day In My Life" section, what does 'strengthen my actualisation' mean? Could you elaborate? What does it change about the ongoing experience? Are there periods when your 'actualization' is not strong? How does this play out in the field of experience? Phenomenologically?

Also, how does 'hating' something also play out in your experience? What is the phenomenological expericne of 'loving' and 'hating' something now for you, like when you 'hate' driving but 'love' walking? How do you know you 'hate something so much? What signifies in the mind/body organism that there is 'hate' for something?

This long walking in crowded city strengthens my Actualization. I return back home by bus. I don't drive vehicles for the past 2 years since I became actually free. I just hate it, whereas I love walking.


And this:

The instinctual passions of fear, desire, aggression and nurture still have the traces in me. But they are like almost dead snakes. They can never have full sway in me. It is 2 years since I actually became free. Still the process goes on and the dust is settling down. In the beginning it was bizarre, like standing on shifting sands, or it was as if the ground beneath was sinking. Now things are concrete and safe.

Could you please explain how the instinctual passions of fear, aggression and nuture are still experienced as 'traces' in you? How do they play out in the field of experience? Sensations? Mental movements? Thoughts? How are they experienced phenomenologically?

This post was not to argue about your claims but to clarify that which still is not talked of openly by many people claiming AF as far as I have read or been told. It would be beneficial for the DhO if you would clarify some of these queries. It will also help my own diagnosis of current ongoing experience.

If you wish to keep your answers out of public view, then consider PMing me or sending me an email at nhalay (at) gmail.

Thanks.

Nick

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3/11/12 9:17 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
G'day,

1) Anger is a neutral energy capable of doing both good and bad. Actually free human is not a SUPERMAN.

2) I mean by 'feeling', sensory awareness of everything around my physical body.

3) Yes. I'm a man with 'feeling' still. Otherwise I will be a corpse.

4) 'Feeling' without the sense of 'ego identity', and altruistically self immolating myself, and going into that space of the Pristine Actuality, makes me a perfect human being. If I become obsessed with my 'ego identity' and make myself numb, insensitive, and go berserk, I become a psychopath.

5) Again, actually free person is not a superman. He will surely be scared mistaking a rope in the dark for a snake.

6) Actually free person can neither love nor hate. I hate cold water, but love hot water means, it only shows the situational preferences.

7) Traces of instinctual passions, phenomenologically cover sensations, mental movements, thoughts and everything of a person.

Thanks for sharing,

J.

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3/11/12 2:45 PM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Hi Justine,

Thanks or the replies.

1) Anger is a neutral energy capable of doing both good and bad. Actually free human is not a SUPERMAN.


How does this 'neutral energy' manifest in your experience, phenomenologically? Sensations in the chest, throat etc? A mental movement? A bouncing of attention from the sense object (that is the perceived object of a 'neutral anger') to something else within the mind/body organism?

I care little for calling you a superman but more so for the actual phenomenoligical experiences you describe. A few of us at the DhO have gotten to places that Richard has said are not where you currently claim you are, yet what you talk of in your book and talk of here in this thread points to the same place 'a few of us' have gotten to (and even surpassing such phenomena you describe, seeing that it does not arise at all such as the 'traces of instinctual passions you still claim to experience yet like a 'dead snake').


2) I mean by 'feeling', sensory awareness of everything around my physical body.

Ok.

3) Yes. I'm a man with 'feeling' still. Otherwise I will be a corpse.


Ok.

4) 'Feeling' without the sense of 'ego identity', and altruistically self immolating myself, and going into that space of the Pristine Actuality, makes me a perfect human being. If I become obsessed with my 'ego identity' and make myself numb, insensitive, and go berserk, I become a psychopath.


Ok.

5) Again, actually free person is not a superman. He will surely be scared mistaking a rope in the dark for a snake.


I'm not calling you a superman. Far from it. So you experience 'fear'? How does it manifest phenomenologically? I have heard others talk of having absoultely no fear any longer. Yet, you are talking about 'being scared'. Can you elaborate please. "Being scared' seems to be an affective reaction. Is this a case of 'trace' of instinctual passions within you? Please describe how they manifest phenomenologically as it would help to know and would clear up and (mis)perceived inconsistencies on our part. If you are pointing to the 'traces', how does this manifest phenomenoligically? A sensation in the gut? mind movements? The attention bouncing from the perceived object of 'what makes one scared' (i.e. thoughts of the AF genitors silence concerning your Ebook) to somewhere else within the body?

6) Actually free person can neither love nor hate. I hate cold water, but love hot water means, it only shows the situational preferences.


How does the 'hate' and 'love' in situational contexts manifest phenomenologically? Sensations at the chest? mind movements? Attention bouncing from object hitting sense door (that is hated or loved) to something else (sensations in the body)?

7) Traces of instinctual passions, phenomenologically cover sensations, mental movements, thoughts and everything of a person.


Could you describe how these manifest in an example? Do you experience a sort of 'shadow' like occurence of what was once the gross 'identity' before your 'actualisation'? That is what 'traces' seems to point to.

Also could you answer the actualisation question? Do you experience periods/moments when your AF is weak as opposed to strong? (like after walking into town)? How does it manifest as weak? ow do you know it is weak? Is it the 'traces of instinctual passions' phenomena that causes it to not 'strengthen'? And there absence 'to strengthen'?

It is clear you are not a 'superman' and that is not the point of these queries. The point is to be absolutely honest and sharing of such phenomena, and to avoid any type of political avoidance of answering. This is the DhO, and posting your book here entitles others to ask such queries for clarification.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify these questions. They are important questions as so few people from Richard's camp proclaimed AF are willing to share such details. It is helpful for all beings at the DhO to do so and in particular for 'the few of us' who have had 'changes' and 'shifts' that seem very much to match your current situation.

Thanks for sharing. It is very helpful.

Regards,
Nick

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3/11/12 8:44 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Hi Nicolai,

1) I am pleased to reply your very deep queries. It helps me to have a self-check on myself too.

2) Yes. Anger or negative emotions are mostly a sense of sudden loss of vitality, a temporary disappearance of luminosity, a chocking sense in the chest area, a sudden dissent of dread. Biologically blood pressure may rise than usual. A spell of uncomfortableness. All the while, a safe detachment where Freedom remains intact. It is not disassociation but a wholesome experience which is inevitable in the present order of the world. Unshakable for me is not insensitivity to the throes and pulls of the world. They are passing things for which there is an allowance for a while and my vulnerability does not make me unfit of my actually free condition.

3) I cannot handle a live snake as a trained snake-charmer. It is not fear but prudence. I am not trained for that feat. Same way diplomacy. When I sense I may irritate the finer sensibilities of the AF progenitors, it is not desire, fear, nurture or aggression that operate but diplomacy and alertness to avoid unpleasant consequences, and my loyalty and kindness to my benefactors. These are not instinctual passions, but necessary swirls in the human interactions. All along the sense of freedom is intact. Actually free state is not 100% free of minor stresses and strains of day to day practical life. Only a robot can live like that. Since I am clear in myself that the 'entity' called 'I/Me', is my own imagination, I can handle these situations happily and harmlessly. Gut feelings, mind movements, sense of panic, uncomfortable sensations, descent to a pit, these are inevitable in the present order things anywhere or to anybody whether actually free or not. The difference is the actually free person does not get identified to them, whereas the normal people get 100% identified with them.

4) These biological and psychological churnings may vary from person to person. Each one's genetic codes vary. We cannot bind all in a single norm by name of any discipline. For me Actual Freedom means, my maximum possible participation by me in the ENDLESS PURITY THAT STEMS ENDLESSLY AS THIS UNIVERSE. That's all. I am keen on enjoying that purity and innocence, and PERFECTION that abounds minute by minute, all the while knowing very well that till the end of the death of my physical body, I have to live with some imperfections. I will never be 100% perfect.

5) For me delight of Freedom is much more lovable than the disciplinary activities of my ego 'I'.

6) I have accepted my imperfections while I clearly know NO DIRT ENTERS THE ACTUAL. My vulnerability to temporary dirt and chaos is part of the game. That way, I establish myself in PEACE, HAPPINESS, and HARMLESSNESS than suffer anguish for my short-comings.

Hope this answers your questions.

Regards,

Justine

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3/12/12 1:04 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Hi, Justine.

Thanks for your ebook. I'm enjoying your writing. It's refreshing to read about AF and actualism in kinder words.

D. Justine J

Gut feelings, mind movements, sense of panic, uncomfortable sensations, descent to a pit, these are inevitable in the present order things anywhere or to anybody whether actually free or not. The difference is the actually free person does not get identified to them, whereas the normal people get 100% identified with them.


Could you clarify those sensations and feelings? With 'sense of panic', are you referring to survival reflexes? Like you getting cover after hearing a shot, for example? In the same example, would you still feel some affective reactions along with them or they merely physical and just disappear as the perceived danger passes? What about the others {'gut feelings', 'mind movements', 'uncomfortable sensations'}? In what kind of circumstances do they manifest and how?

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EDIT. Clarification

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3/12/12 1:24 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
Hi Nicolai,


Hi Justin,

Thanks for taking the time to answer the queries.

1) I am pleased to reply your very deep queries. It helps me to have a self-check on myself too.


Indeed.

2) Yes. Anger or negative emotions are mostly a sense of sudden loss of vitality, a temporary disappearance of luminosity, a chocking sense in the chest area, a sudden dissent of dread. Biologically blood pressure may rise than usual. A spell of uncomfortableness. All the while, a safe detachment where Freedom remains intact. It is not disassociation but a wholesome experience which is inevitable in the present order of the world. Unshakable for me is not insensitivity to the throes and pulls of the world. They are passing things for which there is an allowance for a while and my vulnerability does not make me unfit of my actually free condition.


Interesting. This is a mirror of my own ongoing experience. Though since the July shift there has been 2 more shifts which have reduced such experiences greatly. One could argue that this description by Justine matches 4th path to a degree sans the sense of 'being' which i also do not experience anymore since July last year. All this phenomena you describe, Justine, has been called 'shadow being' by 'a few of us' here at the DhO.

3) I cannot handle a live snake as a trained snake-charmer. It is not fear but prudence. I am not trained for that feat. Same way diplomacy. When I sense I may irritate the finer sensibilities of the AF progenitors, it is not desire, fear, nurture or aggression that operate but diplomacy and alertness to avoid unpleasant consequences, and my loyalty and kindness to my benefactors. These are not instinctual passions, but necessary swirls in the human interactions. All along the sense of freedom is intact. Actually free state is not 100% free of minor stresses and strains of day to day practical life. Only a robot can live like that. Since I am clear in myself that the 'entity' called 'I/Me', is my own imagination, I can handle these situations happily and harmlessly. Gut feelings, mind movements, sense of panic, uncomfortable sensations, descent to a pit, these are inevitable in the present order things anywhere or to anybody whether actually free or not. The difference is the actually free person does not get identified to them, whereas the normal people get 100% identified with them.


Do you still experience 'imagination', images in the mind's eye? Or have they changed in some? Absent in toto? In bold is what I would call 'shadow being' in my own experience, though sense of 'panic' hasn't been a part of the ongoing experience for awhile. Not sure if it would return for lack of a situation that would entail 'panic' beforehand. Uncomfortable sensations have also greatly reduced in the last 2 shifts due to 'actualizing jhana' technique. There is no identification with such phenomena in my current ongoing experience. Interesting, thanks for divulging, Justine.

4) These biological and psychological churnings may vary from person to person. Each one's genetic codes vary. We cannot bind all in a single norm by name of any discipline. For me Actual Freedom means, my maximum possible participation by me in the ENDLESS PURITY THAT STEMS ENDLESSLY AS THIS UNIVERSE. That's all. I am keen on enjoying that purity and innocence, and PERFECTION that abounds minute by minute, all the while knowing very well that till the end of the death of my physical body, I have to live with some imperfections. I will never be 100% perfect.


What is an example of an 'imperfection'? How does it manifest phenomenologically?

5) For me delight of Freedom is much more lovable than the disciplinary activities of my ego 'I'.

How does the experience of an object being 'lovable' manifest? As a sensation in the chest? A mental movement? Attention bouncing from object to somewhere else in the body?

6) I have accepted my imperfections while I clearly know NO DIRT ENTERS THE ACTUAL. My vulnerability to temporary dirt and chaos is part of the game. That way, I establish myself in PEACE, HAPPINESS, and HARMLESSNESS than suffer anguish for my short-comings.


What question are you answering here?

Hope this answers your questions.


Only 2 and 3 were answers I was after. The other answers avoided phenomenological descriptions for something a bit divergent. But your answers to 2 and 3 are quite revealing. By your descriptions, it would seem 'buddhistic' practices combined with the notion of apperceptive awareness lead to similar places if not the same (or better) places, where even what I called 'shadow' does not arise. Thanks Justine.

Nick

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3/12/12 1:18 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
I'm enjoying the read. There is a lot here to learn and discern. Practice is the most important thing. Categories are meaningless and counter-productive. this book assists with both. those who are obsessed with categories will be able to read between the lines and make some tentative conclusions. those who just want to observe the self shrink and shrink and shrink while the emotions calm and calm and calm will find inspiration in this work. thank you nik for eliciting responses and clarification from justine. i, too, am intersted in categories even if they mean nothing. thank you justine for making it public. any and all info you wish to share about your life, your ideas, your practice will be enthusiastically read by yours truly.


peace.

jon

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3/12/12 1:44 AM as a reply to Jon T.
Jon T:
I'm enjoying the read. There is a lot here to learn and discern. Practice is the most important thing. Categories are meaningless and counter-productive. this book assists with both. those who are obsessed with categories will be able to read between the lines and make some tentative conclusions. those who just want to observe the self shrink and shrink and shrink while the emotions calm and calm and calm will find inspiration in this work. thank you nik for eliciting responses and clarification from justine. i, too, am intersted in categories even if they mean nothing. thank you justine for making it public. any and all info you wish to share about your life, your ideas, your practice will be enthusiastically read by yours truly.


peace.

jon


What is a 'category'?

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3/12/12 2:36 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
Interesting. This is a mirror of my own ongoing experience. Though since the July shift there has been 2 more shifts which have reduced such experiences greatly. One could argue that this description by Justine matches 4th path to a degree sans the sense of 'being' which i also do not experience anymore since July last year. All this phenomena you describe, Justine, has been called 'shadow being' by 'a few of us' here at the DhO.


Nickolai, perhaps you could also offer a description of your "shadow being" so that we can compare without having to dig thru old threads to find your prior descriptions?

respectfully,
Oliver

Edit: or simply a link to an old post or some such

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3/12/12 2:41 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
What is a 'category'?


hi nikolai.

i'm not sure how to proceed with the question. is your tone mocking, pedantic, whimsical, curious? categories are ideas about ideas. ideas are abstract notions about people, places and things as well as their interactions with each other. they are useless to me.

jon

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3/12/12 2:43 AM as a reply to Oliver Myth.
Oliver Myth:
Nikolai .:
Interesting. This is a mirror of my own ongoing experience. Though since the July shift there has been 2 more shifts which have reduced such experiences greatly. One could argue that this description by Justine matches 4th path to a degree sans the sense of 'being' which i also do not experience anymore since July last year. All this phenomena you describe, Justine, has been called 'shadow being' by 'a few of us' here at the DhO.


Nickolai, perhaps you could also offer a description of your "shadow being" so that we can compare without having to dig thru old threads to find your prior descriptions?

respectfully,
Oliver

Edit: or simply a link to an old post or some such


In my online journal at the HP from July 2011 onwards till recent:

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3/12/12 3:00 AM as a reply to Jon T.
Jon T:
What is a 'category'?


hi nikolai.

i'm not sure how to proceed with the question. is your tone mocking, pedantic, whimsical, curious? categories are ideas about ideas. ideas are abstract notions about people, places and things as well as their interactions with each other. they are useless to me.

jon


Hi Jon,

Curious. I was not sure what you meant by 'category'. It was just a simple question about what you meant. No 'tone' was superimposed over it.

thank you nik for eliciting responses and clarification from justine. i, too, am interested in categories even if they mean nothing. thank you justine for making it public.



You seemed to point to my 'eliciting responses and clarifications' as to pertaining to 'categories'. I wondered what that meant in the context of the (possibly pragmatically helpful and diagnostic) phenomenological descriptions I was asking for. I'm not sure how they are 'ideas about ideas'. Perhaps I misread your post.

Nick

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3/12/12 3:02 AM as a reply to Felipe C..
Hi Felipe Cavazos,

1) Thanks for enjoying my e-book, and your feeling refreshed to read about AF and actualism in kinder words.

2) Exactly. 'survival reflexes', 'sense of panic' - as you see a snake in a rope in the dark - you just say 'ha! a snake', then you realize it is only a rope, and you forget the whole thing, and go walking briskly for other things. That is exactly like getting cover after a shot as you say. They pass instantly as they come. But there is a 'split-second' reflectivity, affective state. It is a considerable shock indeed, that can tell on your BP and breathing. Only a Robot will miss it, not a conscious human being.

3) 'Gut feeling', 'mind movements', 'uncomfortable sensations', - suppose a deadly cobra was seen by 'your own eyes' entering into your bedroom, but disappeared, went unable to be located for hours, in spite of all herculean efforts. This episode has more duration, than the 'survival reflexes'. And all the while your sense of freedom is in no way affected, if you are actually free, or even if you were a normal human being, with his own sense of ease and forbearing.

Regards,

Justine

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3/12/12 3:04 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
You seemed to point to my 'eliciting responses and clarifications' as to pertaining to 'categories'. I wondered what that meant in the context of the phenomenological descriptions I was asking for. Perhaps I misread your post.


it did seem to me that you were trying to fit mr. justines experiences into a category or create a new category for it. i think quite a lot of readers including myself are in the process of doing the same thing. i value your attempt more than my own since i think your experience of a shrinking self (as well as the varoious method to help bring that about) is more advanced than my own. nonetheless, i think a categorization of experience beyond 'yes that is a mode of high happiness and those are useful techniques' and 'no that is not something i wish to emulate' has potential to be a pitfall. there is nothing but this moment, after all.

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3/12/12 3:07 AM as a reply to Jon T.
Jon T:
I'm enjoying the read. There is a lot here to learn and discern. Practice is the most important thing. Categories are meaningless and counter-productive. this book assists with both. those who are obsessed with categories will be able to read between the lines and make some tentative conclusions. those who just want to observe the self shrink and shrink and shrink while the emotions calm and calm and calm will find inspiration in this work. thank you nik for eliciting responses and clarification from justine. i, too, am intersted in categories even if they mean nothing. thank you justine for making it public. any and all info you wish to share about your life, your ideas, your practice will be enthusiastically read by yours truly.


peace.

jon


Thank You Jon T, I am pleased to share more.

Justine

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3/12/12 3:07 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
2) Exactly. 'survival reflexes', 'sense of panic' - as you see a snake in a rope in the dark - you just say 'ha! a snake', then you realize it is only a rope, and you forget the whole thing, and go walking briskly for other things. That is exactly like getting cover after a shot as you say. They pass instantly as they come. But there is a 'split-second' reflectivity, affective state. It is a considerable shock indeed, that can tell on your BP and breathing. Only a Robot will miss it, not a conscious human being.

3) 'Gut feeling', 'mind movements', 'uncomfortable sensations', - suppose a deadly cobra was seen by 'your own eyes' entering into your bedroom, but disappeared, went unable to be located for hours, in spite of all herculean efforts. This episode has more duration, than the 'survival reflexes'. And all the while your sense of freedom is in no way affected, if you are actually free, or even if you were a normal human being, with his own sense of ease and forbearing.




Fascinating. Does the intelligence remain completely unimpeded by the affective fear?

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3/12/12 3:24 AM as a reply to Jon T.
Jon T:
You seemed to point to my 'eliciting responses and clarifications' as to pertaining to 'categories'. I wondered what that meant in the context of the phenomenological descriptions I was asking for. Perhaps I misread your post.


it did seem to me that you were trying to fit mr. justines experiences into a category or create a new category for it. i think quite a lot of readers including myself are in the process of doing the same thing. i value your attempt more than my own since i think your experience of a shrinking self (as well as the varoious method to help bring that about) is more advanced than my own. nonetheless, i think a categorization of experience beyond 'yes that is a mode of high happiness and those are useful techniques' and 'no that is not something i wish to emulate' has potential to be a pitfall. there is nothing but this moment, after all.



Hi jon,

Not trying to fit, but simply comparing as we do here at the DhO. What category did I seem to be trying to create and what wording did I use to indicate what arose in your mind about it? Just curious for my own benefit.

There has been little comparing done with those from Richard's camp who are claimed to be AF and those of us professing to similar brain changes, for political or whatever reasons. AF and its practices are still an influence here at the DhO in a pure as well as spliced way, and thus comparing with someone from Richard's camp professed to being AF and who is willing to share descriptions of ongoing experiences is important, helpful and probably wont occur often or again. Taking advantage of the opportunity to compare.

Regardless of opinions held about DhO yogis and their heretical practices, IMO, I think it is important to discuss such things (especially phenomenological descriptions of ongoing experiences) to keep practice and results truly open, honest, non-territorial, apolitical non-dogmatic and just plain helpful. Such discussions help orient, not rest laurels, navigate, let go of stuff, understand 'changes', relax and drop the need to 'know', and probably a variety of other helpful things. Whether you personally don't find them helpful in your own practice (for now), they may assist others to move onwards in theirs.

Nick

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3/12/12 3:34 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
hi nick,

What category did I seem to be trying to create


your own description of your attempt fit exactly what i percieved you to be doing.

"...comparing with someone from Richard's camp professed to being AF and who is willing to share descriptions of ongoing experiences is important, helpful and probably wont occur often or again. Taking advantage of the opportunity to compare."




what wording did I use to indicate what arose in your mind about it? Just curious for my own benefit.


it was nothing that you said. it was everything that i had already been thinking. your curiosity matched my own and your questions were more apt than what mine would have been. the only difference seems to be your opinion regarding their helpfulness and my opinion regarding their futility. there is nothing wrong with a difference in opinion especially regarding a process that is completely unavoidable i.e. people will want to compare and people will arrange their notes and conclusions accordingly. it is fun, not to be taken seriously and hopefully it is i who is wrong and it is of help to many a people.

jon

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3/12/12 3:48 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Hi Nikolai,

1) For point No.3, my reply is the same as I replied to Felipe Cavazos, today 12-3-2012, 3:02 AM.

2) For Point No.4, Richard long back said: 'By my very nature, I am (each human) corrupt to the core, and no amount of purification process will make me perfect, and the ego 'I' is a lonely, frightened, and cunning entity, and it has to be altruistically self-immolated (a form of psychic suicide) to become actually free'.

3) For point No.5, - Yes. The experience of an object being lovable manifests primarily as a sensation in the chest. Mind may or may not involve in it. Attention calmly spreads to a static stillness (though it is a moving stillness - perpetuus mobilis). With my physical nearness to Richard, I have observed him to be both in the body and beyond the body simultaneously, and nowhere to be in particular too. For him, it is a very casual thing, and he has no much fuss, or bristling frost about it too.

4) Since I'm not trained in Dho Buddhist way of thinking, perhaps you feel some lacunae in my replies. I will try to update myself.

Regards,

Justine