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Justine's Reflections On Actual Freedom
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6/21/12 11:01 PM
Best wishes to All!

I am happy to release the second part of my 'Justine's Memoirs On Actual Freedom', as 'JUSTINE'S REFLECTIONS ON ACTUAL FREEDOM'.

Soon (within a week), I will submit to my esteemed readers, 'ELABORATION ON ACTUAL FREEDOM', a mammoth work on Actual Freedom.

May all auspiciousness come to us all.

JUSTINE.


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You can read and download the e-book from the below given links too:

1. Scribd Portal:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95410536/Justine-s-Reflections-on-Actual-Freedom


2. Google Docs:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-B_O_ms6bsYVkZLTndzMUdQLWs

PFA.

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5/31/12 7:25 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
Best wishes to All!

I am happy to release the second part of my 'Justine's Memoirs On Actual Freedom', as 'JUSTINE'S REFLECTIONS ON ACTUAL FREEDOM'.

Soon (within a week), I will submit to my esteemed readers, 'ELABORATION ON ACTUAL FREEDOM', a mammoth work on Actual Freedom.

May all auspiciousness come to you all.

JUSTINE.


***

You can read and download the e-book from the below given links too:

1. Scribd Portal:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95410536/Justine-s-Reflections-on-Actual-Freedom


2. Google Docs:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-B_O_ms6bsYVkZLTndzMUdQLWs

PFA.



Hi Justine,

I know you didn't ask me permission to print my name there as someone singing praise of you and your 'memoirs' so I am assuming you didn't ask anyone else. You might want to consider asking permission first. As my quote seems to be taken out of context (it was posted to thank you for your honesty in what you wrote in a thread at DhO, not your memoirs), can you please take my name out. I haven't read your book yet to warrant any of my own recommendations and 'praise' regardless of whether I will have agreed with what you have written or not after reading it.

Sincerely,

Nick

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5/31/12 7:29 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Also, I'd be interested for the sake of being clear about terminology (as is the case here at the DhO and pragmatic dharma in general) what you mean by 'enlightenment'. What did it mean to be 'enlightened' in your own words? What was the ongoing experience like? How was it different to not being 'enlightened'? What was arising still in experience and what was not?

Nick

RE: Justine's Reflections On Actual Freedom
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5/31/12 8:04 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
D. Justine J:
Best wishes to All!

I am happy to release the second part of my 'Justine's Memoirs On Actual Freedom', as 'JUSTINE'S REFLECTIONS ON ACTUAL FREEDOM'.

Soon (within a week), I will submit to my esteemed readers, 'ELABORATION ON ACTUAL FREEDOM', a mammoth work on Actual Freedom.

May all auspiciousness come to you all.

JUSTINE.


***

You can read and download the e-book from the below given links too:

1. Scribd Portal:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95410536/Justine-s-Reflections-on-Actual-Freedom


2. Google Docs:

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B-B_O_ms6bsYVkZLTndzMUdQLWs

PFA.



Hi Justine,

I know you didn't ask me permission to print my name there as someone singing praise of you and your 'memoirs' so I am assuming you didn't ask anyone else. You might want to consider asking permission first. As my quote seems to be taken out of context (it was posted to thank you for your honesty in what you wrote in a thread at DhO, not your memoirs), can you please take my name out. I haven't read your book yet to warrant any of my own recommendations and 'praise' regardless of whether I will have agreed with what you have written or not after reading it.

Sincerely,

Nick


Hi Nick,

I ask your pardon.

I will take away your name. I need some time space for technical reasons.

Regards,

Justine

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5/31/12 4:56 PM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Thank you Justine.

I have come across many interesting claims in your book. The following one really is perplexing.

Whenever I keep a particular photo on my desk top of Richard I get
into involuntary weeping. Last week I cried for more than 20 minutes,
in my closed room. That clears away lot of blocks in me. Page 37


What are the 'blocks'? How is this 'crying' not affective?
Edit: It appears that neither you know of why it happens:

 But one thing I can’t understand. Even after
becoming actually free, why tears well up in
me, whenever I think of Richard, as well as my
beloved daughter, where I see these two have
undergone an extraordinary and enormous
suffering to reach a rare height of illumination. Page 43




Also on a more personal interest level would you comment on soemthing I have expressed. perhaps it will explain why you still 'cry' at seeing photos of Richard and your daughter.

'Objectification': My current thinking from my ongoing current experience has shown that the mind will create 'objects' in the field of experience (sense contact-eyes/sight, ears/sound, nose/smells, tongue/taste, body/touch-surface and within) via a narrowing of mental focus, which segregates 'parts' from the 'whole' field of experience. This in turn leads to more 'objects' arising within the field of experience to juxtapose with more 'objects', segregated from the whole, giving rise to an 'attention bounce'.

This illusory 'attention bounce' has the mind's attention jumping/flickering from one perceived/conceived 'object' to another 'object' back and forth. A thought may become an 'object', a sensation an 'object, a sound an object, even the notion of 'seeing' and 'hearing' and a sense of 'me-ness', also another kind of 'object', which feels more like a 'subject'; a subjective experience for the 'object' to be related to in some way. But really, it is just another part of the 'objectification' of 'parts' of the whole.

Essentially, attention bounces around and gives off a sense of 'duality': "'I' am experiencing 'this'!" Subject and object. This 'objectification' process gives rise to the subjective experience of 'self' in many differing manifestations, all in my own experience seen to be unsatisfactory and illusory. This 'objectification' or conceiving of 'objects' for a subjective experience to arise and relate to has the mind create an 'object' from a mass of floating particles and atoms and terms/names it 'hearing', 'seeing', 'a chair', 'a man', 'a woman', 'hatred', 'self', 'thoughts of want', 'shitty sensations in the chest', etc and sets up all of these 'objects' for the subjective experience of 'me-ness' to arise as an established relationship with said 'objects'.


With HAIETMOBA, one trains the mind to recognize pure sense contact without this 'objectification' occurring for those fleeting moments at a time until those moments grow into longer periods of lack of 'objectification'/ segregating of conceieved 'parts' of the field of experience.


When the whole field of experience is now segregated into 'parts', there are now 'parts' for the mind's attention to bounce back and forth with. When the entire field of experience is experienced as simply 'the whole field of experience', without that attention bounce segregating via 'objectification', there is simply 360 degree ongoing experience of a soup of sensations which can be explained in conventional terms as seeing, hearing, smelling, sensing, tasting, thought hitting mind, all cognised as a mass of mixed up sense contact with none of it being segregated and 'named' 'seeing', 'hearing', etc.


Does your ongoing experience involve the mind habitually landing on 'objects' conceived and segregated from the whole field of experience (i.e. a photo of Richard, a thought of my daughter", the 'irksome' behaviour of other people, thought of 'bodiless peace') and then react in some way towards said 'object'? How is this still perceived as apperception? And if not, then would it be safe to say your ongoing experiecne is not 24/7 apperception?

When one first becomes aware of something, there is a fleeting instant of the clean perception of sensum just before one recognises the percept (the mental product or result of perception) and also before one identifies with all the feeling memories associated with its qualia (the qualities pertaining to the properties of the form) and this ‘raw sense-datum’ stage of sensational perception is a direct experience of the actual. Clear perception is in that instant where one converges one’s eyes or ears or nose or tongue or skin on the thing...it is the split-second just as one affectively subjectifies it ... which is just prior to clamping down on it viscerally and SEGREGATING it from the rest of pure, conscious existence. Pure perception takes place...just before one’s feeling-fed mind says: ‘It’s a man’ or: ‘It’s a woman’ or: ‘It’s a steak-burger’ or: ‘It’s a tofu-burger’ ...this fluid, soft-focused moment of bare awareness...could be called...in a word: apperceptiveness. (Attentiveness and Sensuousness and Apperceptiveness)"


Nick

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5/31/12 4:56 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
 Though I am actually free, my central longing is for ‘bodiless
peace’. This element periodically predominates in me, in spite of my
knowing that physical death is very insignificant thing. I have much to
learn from Richard on this. Page 42


Central longing (craving) for 'bodiless (formless) peace. What does this sound like?

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5/31/12 7:36 PM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Hi Nick,

Your request is done. Your appreciations on my honesty are deleted in all uploaded versions. Once again sorry for the inconvenience caused.

J.

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5/31/12 7:56 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
Also, I'd be interested for the sake of being clear about terminology (as is the case here at the DhO and pragmatic dharma in general) what you mean by 'enlightenment'. What did it mean to be 'enlightened' in your own words? What was the ongoing experience like? How was it different to not being 'enlightened'? What was arising still in experience and what was not?

Nick


By 'enlightenment' I mean the same traditional spiritual enlightenment.

In my words, it is experience of light, clarity, peace, and bliss, sense of arriving destination.

It gave relaxation and surrender to something supreme.

It was different to 'not being enlightened' - choking and suffocation in darkness was absent.

Entity was still arising in experience, elimination of self was not there. So, it was not fulfilling like Actual Freedom.

Justine

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5/31/12 11:25 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
What are the 'blocks'? How is this 'crying' not affective?
Edit: It appears that neither you know of why it happens:



The blocks are the residue of my enlightened days. This crying is not 'affective', because I am sure that this entity is a fiction and the process of deleting the identity cannot happen instantly. Though the shift is irrevocable, the brain neuronal conditionings are not like switching OFF, of the button of a machine.

But one thing I can’t understand. Even after
becoming actually free, why tears well up in
me, whenever I think of Richard, as well as my
beloved daughter, where I see these two have
undergone an extraordinary and enormous
suffering to reach a rare height of illumination.


Yes. I say it is involuntary weeping. As a human being I am not ashamed to accept that fact, and also i find it helps in the dissolution of the self into Actuality.


Also on a more personal interest level would you comment on something I have expressed. perhaps it will explain why you still 'cry' at seeing photos of Richard and your daughter.



Nick, on certain occasions, all the intellectual dissections and barriers are thrust aside by some invisible energy. For me I am always conscious of 'Richard's Energy' 24x7. This i have discussed with Richard himself in person. He has acknowledged that 'Richard's Energy' is a fact experienced by some other people also. For me that energy has a very sharp action in my body mind towards the unshakeability of the Pristine Actuality. I am still in the journey towards my destination.


Does your ongoing experience involve the mind habitually landing on 'objects' conceived and segregated from the whole field of experience (i.e. a photo of Richard, a thought of my daughter", the 'irksome' behaviour of other people, thought of 'bodiless peace') and then react in some way towards said 'object'? How is this still perceived as apperception? And if not, then would it be safe to say your ongoing experiecne is not 24/7 apperception?



My previous answer applies to this question too.

Regards,
Justine.

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5/31/12 11:27 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Central longing (craving) for 'bodiless (formless) peace. What does this sound like?


OBLIVION !

J.

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6/1/12 12:24 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
What are the 'blocks'? How is this 'crying' not affective?
Edit: It appears that neither you know of why it happens:


The blocks are the residue of my enlightened days. This crying is not 'affective', because I am sure that this entity is a fiction and the process of deleting the identity cannot happen instantly. Though the shift is irrevocable, the brain neuronal conditionings are not like switching OFF, of the button of a machine.


So it appears then that there is not 24/7 apperceptive awareness flowing, correct? There is an 'object' of consciousness (pic of Richard and daughter) which is triggering something within, a subjective experience (now not forming as full blown 'affect' yet still establishing a fabricated relationship with the 'object'). I'd call this the residue of 'being'. Shadow being. You can do something about that if you wish. Send me a PM if interested. By the way, I would still call your 'weeping' the identity, residual or not. Maybe more to look into still. Why does it still arise? Because it is 'residue' is not a good answer.

But one thing I can’t understand. Even after
becoming actually free, why tears well up in
me, whenever I think of Richard, as well as my
beloved daughter, where I see these two have
undergone an extraordinary and enormous
suffering to reach a rare height of illumination.


Yes. I say it is involuntary weeping. As a human being I am not ashamed to accept that fact, and also i find it helps in the dissolution of the self into Actuality.


Dissolution of 'self? So there is still a residual felt sense of 'self' that needs to be dissolved via 'weeping'? There are approaches you could do to further progress to complete dissolution quicker if so inclined. PM me.

Also on a more personal interest level would you comment on something I have expressed. perhaps it will explain why you still 'cry' at seeing photos of Richard and your daughter.


Nick, on certain occasions, all the intellectual dissections and barriers are thrust aside by some invisible energy. For me I am always conscious of 'Richard's Energy' 24x7. This i have discussed with Richard himself in person. He has acknowledged that 'Richard's Energy' is a fact experienced by some other people also. For me that energy has a very sharp action in my body mind towards the unshakeability of the Pristine Actuality. I am still in the journey towards my destination.


"Invisible energy'? I do not see currently past the 6 sense doors (the all). How is this 'invisible energy' expericned? Via the 6 sense doors or beyond them? Is this just one's own 'conceptual idea' and 'belief' overlaying some sensation that is triggered at the sight or in the presence of the 'object' named 'Richard'? What is your destination? I thought AF was the destination? Is there another one?


Does your ongoing experience involve the mind habitually landing on 'objects' conceived and segregated from the whole field of experience (i.e. a photo of Richard, a thought of my daughter", the 'irksome' behaviour of other people, thought of 'bodiless peace') and then react in some way towards said 'object'? How is this still perceived as apperception? And if not, then would it be safe to say your ongoing experiecne is not 24/7 apperception?


My previous answer applies to this question too.


You didn't answer any of the questions. Which seems suspect and unpragmatic seeing as you are trying to spread the word here on a pragmatic dharma site. Why not oblige and continue to be honest? I am not talking down to you nor talking up to you. I'm talking at the same level as you having already passed through baseline shifts on the way to what I once considered AF. I'm trying to see what your experience is like. But if you wish to simply leave it like that, so be it. I hope you do, for the benefit and inspiration of others, continue to share with us here the details of what I am asking about. I think it would shed light on the reality of your 'AF' to talk about it like so, make it real and attainable for all your readers:

Does your ongoing experience involve the mind habitually landing on 'objects' conceived and segregated from the whole field of experience (i.e. a photo of Richard, a thought of my daughter", the 'irksome' behaviour of other people, thought of 'bodiless peace') and then react in some way towards said 'object'? How is this still perceived as apperception? And if not, then would it be safe to say your ongoing experiecne is not 24/7 apperception? Also does it still do all of this just without a sense of 'affect' arising like before? No tangible felt sense of 'affect' yet an odd experience of 'sort of affect but not really affect' (like your weeping)?

Avoiding the questions could possibly lead to others (those not already fully on board the good ship actualis) to simply thinking you are not wanting to share for some reason or other. This is a taboo free area. Feel free to let loose (not that you haven't already in your memoirs).


Nick

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6/1/12 4:04 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
Central longing (craving) for 'bodiless (formless) peace. What does this sound like?


OBLIVION !

J.


Sounds like a 'longing' (desire) for peace (ongoing existence) that is bodiless (formless/immaterial). *cough**cough*!

RE: Justine's Reflections On Actual Freedom
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6/1/12 5:28 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
So it appears then that there is not 24/7 apperceptive awareness flowing, correct?


The apperceptive awareness is flowing 24x7 without obstruction.

There is an 'object' of consciousness (pic of Richard and daughter) which is triggering something within, a subjective experience (now not forming as full blown 'affect' yet still establishing a fabricated relationship with the 'object').


They are not triggers. It is not subjective experience. 'Weeping' is a side effect of some main event. Pl. don't give prime place for it.

Dissolution of 'self? So there is still a residual felt sense of 'self' that needs to be dissolved via 'weeping'?


'Self' need not and cannot be dissolved 'only' by 'weeping'. There are other vital things connected to altruistic self immolation, where 'weeping' is a pleasant outlet, and an insignificant side-effect.

"Invisible energy'? I do not see currently past the 6 sense doors (the all). How is this 'invisible energy' expericned? Via the 6 sense doors or beyond them? Is this just one's own 'conceptual idea' and 'belief' overlaying some sensation that is triggered at the sight or in the presence of the 'object' named 'Richard'? What is your destination? I thought AF was the destination? Is there another one?


Electricity is an invisible energy. But its impacts are known to us through the 6 sense doors and beyond them. Still no one has actually seen electricity and never will. Pristine Actuality is much more true than electricity. With the confidence born of Perfection, one can reach that realm without any effort of struggle, through altruistic self-immolation.
RICHARD IS NOT THE OBJECT TO REACH. THE PLACE WHERE RICHARD REACHED IS MY DESTINATION. One can call it 'Richard's Place'. AF is a word. How did you think AF is a destination, or another one to it?


You didn't answer any of the questions. Which seems suspect and unpragmatic seeing as you are trying to spread the word here on a pragmatic dharma site. Why not oblige and continue to be honest? I am not talking down to you nor talking up to you. I'm talking at the same level as you having already passed through baseline shifts on the way to what I once considered AF. I'm trying to see what your experience is like. But if you wish to simply leave it like that, so be it. I hope you do, for the benefit and inspiration of others, continue to share with us here the details of what I am asking about. I think it would shed light on the reality of your 'AF' to talk about it like so, make it real and attainable for all your readers:


Well. If you think, I have not at all answered any of your questions, I am sorry about my inability to help you. If you find me suspect and unpragmatic, again sorry Nick, I can't help it. I am not trying to spread any word. I delight in sharing myself with others. Some people find my words delightful. It is for them I write. I have no political or any other interest. I am not STRIVING towards honesty or its opposite. I am pleased to share myself with my maximum capability to one and all. AF is the most easiest thing on this Earth.

I am not avoiding questions. Yes, Dho is a taboo free area. I feel free to share myself with all.

For PM you are always welcome through jkoperumcholan@gmail.com.

Regards,
Justine.

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6/1/12 5:49 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
D. Justine J:
Central longing (craving) for 'bodiless (formless) peace. What does this sound like?


OBLIVION !

J.


Sounds like a 'longing' (desire) for peace (ongoing existence) that is bodiless (formless/immaterial). *cough**cough*!


Man is mortal. Only matter is immortal. If you want to be lingering here indefinitely, do it Nick, it is your choice!

May all auspiciousness come to us all!

Regards,
Justine.

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6/1/12 6:27 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
So it appears then that there is not 24/7 apperceptive awareness flowing, correct?


The apperceptive awareness is flowing 24x7 without obstruction.


Are you sure of that? Your memoirs paint a different picture. So you have reached the 'meaning of life' stage that Richard talks of? If you were truly 'apperceptive', I don't think you would be talking about the variety of 'reactive' patterns you describe in your behaviour (in your memoirs).


There is an 'object' of consciousness (pic of Richard and daughter) which is triggering something within, a subjective experience (now not forming as full blown 'affect' yet still establishing a fabricated relationship with the 'object').



They are not triggers. It is not subjective experience. 'Weeping' is a side effect of some main event. Pl. don't give prime place for it.


Yeh, can't see the weeping occurring without a trigger. It might not 'feel' or be sensed as subjective, but I would label it like so because it is some sort of reaction towards an 'object', and quite an extreme one at that. Sensation in the chest being triggered?

Dissolution of 'self? So there is still a residual felt sense of 'self' that needs to be dissolved via 'weeping'?


'Self' need not and cannot be dissolved 'only' by 'weeping'. There are other vital things connected to altruistic self immolation, where 'weeping' is a pleasant outlet, and an insignificant side-effect.


I'll ask again: So there is still a residual felt sense of 'self' that needs to be dissolved via 'weeping'? Do you still experience some sort of residual sense of tangibly felt sense of 'self' still that dissolves when you have wept?

"Invisible energy'? I do not see currently past the 6 sense doors (the all). How is this 'invisible energy' expericned? Via the 6 sense doors or beyond them? Is this just one's own 'conceptual idea' and 'belief' overlaying some sensation that is triggered at the sight or in the presence of the 'object' named 'Richard'? What is your destination? I thought AF was the destination? Is there another one?


Electricity is an invisible energy. But its impacts are known to us through the 6 sense doors and beyond them. Still no one has actually seen electricity and never will. Pristine Actuality is much more true than electricity. With the confidence born of Perfection, one can reach that realm without any effort of struggle, through altruistic self-immolation.
RICHARD IS NOT THE OBJECT TO REACH. THE PLACE WHERE RICHARD REACHED IS MY DESTINATION. One can call it 'Richard's Place'. AF is a word. How did you think AF is a destination, or another one to it?



How is this invisible energy experienced via the senses? Is the experiecne accompanied by a conceptual overlay of the idea of 'invisible energy'? So you are not 'AF'? Or your AF is not the same as Richard's current ongoing state?Can you clarify for the DhO?

These questions are to distinguish what Richard and yourself are calling 'actually free' Out of curiosity, I am asking you about details of your experience. I have had a baseline shift which does not have me 'weeping' nor experiencing affect nor 'being irked' by others like before. I notice aspects of the ongoing experience which are starting to drop away which i am seeing that you seem to still experience. I am asking you to clarify your experience so that we can simply stop fussing over what 'actually free' is supposed to look like, where we can simply drop the dogmatic conceptual overlays of "I am the first in the world" silliness and simply describe frankly what is occuring/has occured without the need to inject it all with mystic overtones.

By your descriptions, I found myself last year where you seem to currently be untill a month or so ago. Now there are some differences (which are improvements as I see it) between what you describe and where I find myself. i'm trying to suss out if this is the same thing that you describe or not and whether further investigation may be needed. Plus I think your version of 'apperception' is not the same as what I consider pure apperception. I don't think one would be 'weeping' or feeling 'irked' by other people's behaviour, as well as some of the other things you have expressed in your memoirs if you were truly 24/7 apperceptive, non-stop.

Perhaps we can talk about the differences in our 'versions'. What is apperception for you, and how would the experience of 'being irked' for example be seen apperceptively? If experience was apperceptive, then wouldn't the objects of 'being irked' not even be objects for the experience of 'being irked' and thus no experience of 'being irked' would arise?

And again if you will: Does your ongoing experience involve the mind habitually landing on 'objects' conceived and segregated from the whole field of experience (i.e. a photo of Richard, a thought of my daughter", the 'irksome' behaviour of other people, thought of 'bodiless peace') and then react in some way towards said 'object'? How is this still perceived as apperception? And if not, then would it be safe to say your ongoing experiecne is not 24/7 apperception? Also does it still do all of this just without a sense of 'affect' arising like before? No tangible felt sense of 'affect' yet an odd experience of 'sort of affect but not really affect' (like your weeping)?

Nick

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6/1/12 5:59 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
D. Justine J:
Man is mortal. Only matter is immortal. If you want to be lingering here indefinitely, do it Nick, it is your choice!


Where did I say i 'want to be lingering here indefinitely'? You said this:


 Though I am actually free, my central longing is for ‘bodiless
peace’. This element periodically predominates in me, in spite of my
knowing that physical death is very insignificant thing. I have much to
learn from Richard on this. Page 42


Though actually free, you desire a bodiless (formless/immaterial) peace. Meaning you wish for some sort of 'peace' that does not entail a body. This sounds like a stage along the way to full awakening in buddhist contexts.


Nick

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6/1/12 8:00 AM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Also does it still do all of this just without a sense of 'affect' arising like before? No tangible felt sense of 'affect' yet an odd experience of 'sort of affect but not really affect' (like your weeping)?


You are quite right, Nick. I need not brood for answer for all of your other queries. Here you have succinctly put in my real position. Thanks for your interest in me.

With kind regards,

Justine

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6/1/12 8:04 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Though actually free, you desire a bodiless (formless/immaterial) peace. Meaning you wish for some sort of 'peace' that does not entail a body. This sounds like a stage along the way to full awakening in buddhist contexts.


Quite True, Nick.

Justine.

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6/1/12 12:38 PM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Hi, Justine, thanks for your new e-book.

I have a question.

You say in your book:

I have a final secret for fast progress to become actually free. I am
looking for a right person to transfer it. I can’t divulge it publicly
because it needs a certain central sincerity and abidance. Just making
it public will defuse its workability, and may bring disaster to
innocent ones. It is such a simple thing, that’s why I hesitate. But I
will share it with at least one before I go.


Why so serious? Your comment reminds me of the discourse of some tantric gurus who enclose their teachings saying that they are the secret (and quickest!) way to enlightenment; they even require esoteric initiations to be prepared for such a practice. I thought AF and the Actualist practice were about being down to earth, and not some kind of mystery.

The great thing about the DhO is the diversity and openness of practices offered here, which are derived not only from great masters of different traditions but also from the practitioners who post in this forum. I think the majority here can (and would be glad to) understand the methods you propose, and take them or leaving them according to their aims and preferences.

Why do you think anything you share with us would lead to "disaster to innocent ones"? If AF is such important thing for the achievement of World's peace, would you share that practice for the benefit of humanity? If not, what are you specifically afraid of?

Thanks in advance!

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6/1/12 2:26 PM as a reply to D. Justine J.
Justine, please take my name out of the book too. I was referencing a quote, not your book, and you did not ask permission.

Thank you.
Oliver