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a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 5:29 AM
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

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The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
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CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
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VOID & VACUUM
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why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 5:41 AM as a reply to Paweł K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

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17.12.13 17:19

The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

VOID & VACUUM
18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


If you can navigate your own frustration with triplethink's way of communicating you may see that his threads are about some useful things concerning practice. People who dont post useful stuff are the one's who generally are spamming.

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12/18/13 6:15 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

+ INFINITE SPACE +0+ INFINITE TIME +
17.12.13 17:19

The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

VOID & VACUUM
18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


If you can navigate your own frustration with triplethink's way of communicating you may see that his threads are about some useful things concerning practice. People who dont post useful stuff are the one's who generally are spamming.


Nikolai, do you think a post with some links to wikipedia pages with the word "earth" in them is a useful thing concerning practice? I know he once sent you a useful email in the past, but, still...

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5054370

As I said on one of those threads:

"I see that we do have mods active on this forum, as a recent post by James Yen got deleted.

Are the mods going to do anything about posts like these? At what point do you think "enough is enough"? Maybe a quiet word in a ear? A friendly warning?

Perhaps you could suggest he set up his own website, rather than taking over the DhO as his own personal wiki? "

My opinion is that in terms of net benefit vs. net harm, overall this posting strategy and style of communication is doing a net harm to the DhO, that the DhO is considerably diminished when it becomes the playground for one poster. Obviously, some people, like Pawel here, would agree. Others might think the DhO is a better place for it.

Perhaps we should have a poll?

Or should all those that lack sufficient skill in navigating their frustration just go and join awake network, where this kind of posting behaviour in no way would be tolerated?

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 6:19 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
I currently dont see a problem and have found reading his posts do trigger investigation where there previously was none. James was ok to keep posting until he returned to his old way of posting and the mods and overlord had previously decided he was to be banned for such posts. And he has been banned a lot in the past. Triplethink's posts are still practice related. There has been no discussion about nathan's posts between the mods and daniel. Maybe do your poll and send daniel a message. But seriously, i see value in nathan's posts. Yeh, awakenetwork has less tolerance for such things. Not many people have ever been banned or told to move on as the dho is like so, always has been.

Nick

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 6:59 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nicolai, I am not disputing that value may be found in some posts, and some might trigger investigation, though I think you would be hard pressed to make that argument for a lot of them. The point is really about whether a community forum like the DhO is the suitable host for a personal "project".

That said, I am little concerned about upsetting the guy:

"I can offer you a sense of what does produce passion in me still, a passion against which I must firmly set my every resolve each and every day. This passion arises in the face of demonstrations of gross ignorance and delusion when the hopeless valuation of the 'material' over and against the 'living' and the great tyrannies and injustices which this satanic ideology imposes upon those who are righteous and those who are innocent produces great and needless suffering. A great sense of wrath arises then within my being and I must restrain myself from becoming a sword of truth brought down upon the heads of such as those who press forward with great energy and furious destruction in all such causes.

Fortunately, I have had much practice contemplating many such phenomena of all sorts and I have thus far proven able to restrain these raging tempests within the void.

No promises looking ahead into what yet may come upon us all."

http://www.dharmaoverground.org/web/guest/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5043340

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 8:24 AM as a reply to sawfoot _.
LOL! I thought it was supposed to be 0 inflows and 0 outflows like anorexia. Good point!

Oh well, just ignore the threads you don't like (especially since the mod likes them) and keep posting in the ones you like by clicking page 2 on the recent posts. If no one is interested they clear off page 1 pretty quickly.

That quote you made though was probably more lucid than most of his posts. I wouldn't mind if he continued in that lucid direction to explain himself more.

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 10:16 AM as a reply to Paweł K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads

+ INFINITE SPACE +0+ INFINITE TIME +
17.12.13 17:19

The Thesis on the Crisis like the Layers in the Giza
17.12.13 21:48

CAMP CONCENTRATION
17.12.13 23:46

Triplethink Transporter Deck
18.12.13 00:09

MATERIA RE: MATTA
18.12.13 00:13

Spaceship Earth
18.12.13 00:25

HEAVENS
18.12.13 01:02

VOID & VACUUM
18.12.13 01:20


why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


I wholeheartedly agree. It's very tiresome to have to wade through so much drivel.

On the whole I like the hands off approach regarding moderation here. It wouldn't work in most other places. Occasionally though it really wouldn't hurt to "have a word" for the good of the majority.

"Boo to a goose" anyone?

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12/18/13 10:39 AM as a reply to Paweł K.
Paweł K:
in about 8 hours one user was able to generate 8 threads
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why not put them into one topic along his other similar threads and give him warning or time ban?


I mostly agree. At least categorize them in some out-of-the-way place. The DhO serves as a kind of database of useful practice advice, tips, and discussion. The more noise that gets mixed in, the less useful it becomes to people who are new to the DhO, as it will take more and more time for people to wade through and find something useful for them. I'd rather not have all the good old material get drowned out by noise.

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12/18/13 10:52 AM as a reply to Nikolai ..
@Nikolai .
I currently do see a problem and have found reading his posts do trigger irritation where there previously was none

you seriously see any value in any of those eight threads? or in other recent threads?
and this is not 'way of communicating' but sign this person is really deeply troubled. If you look for inspiration then you look at wrong direction because this well had dried down ...

BTW, who the hell is this 3T? which path is he supposed to be?

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 10:55 AM as a reply to Paweł K.
TBH it seems like a bit much to me, too. His posts (and the DhO, since there are so many of them) are starting to resemble the time cube. And I also had the thought of just making a "triplethink" category since he is posting so much.

I would ask triplethink to restrain himself to his more cohesive posts, as I find little value in the rambling ones, but that would be a personal appeal, not an appeal as a moderator.

As a moderator, it seems a lot of other people have the same concern - at least 5 just in this very thread - so I would politely ask the same as a moderator appeal also, with no warning or threats implicit in that request.

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12/18/13 11:24 AM as a reply to Chris G.
Chris G:
The DhO serves as a kind of database of useful practice advice, tips, and discussion. The more noise that gets mixed in, the less useful it becomes to people who are new to the DhO, as it will take more and more time for people to wade through and find something useful for them. I'd rather not have all the good old material get drowned out by noise.


+1

No need to divide the community with a poll, perhaps the mods could set a simple posting rule? ---> A user can only start one thread per day.

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12/18/13 11:50 AM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Ditto

Recently, it just doesn't feel comfortable as before when I come to the DhO. Usability should be considered here just as with any website, mainly when one comes to the front page (in this case, factically: Discussion / Recent posts). And when I come to the front page lately, I find myself lost, confused and repelled by a lot of posts and unclear content.

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12/18/13 12:55 PM as a reply to Felipe C..
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion

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12/18/13 1:29 PM as a reply to sawfoot _.
sawfoot _:
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion


Just curious about your own practice sawfoot. Do you have a practice journal kept somewhere?

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12/18/13 2:05 PM as a reply to Paweł K.
My personal response to the mountian on silliness coming out of The 3 sTooges is to not read any thread he has started or commented on. Which means I basically avoid the site completely. Fine with me, I doubt that I'm the only one being driven off the site because it has become a steaming pile of nonsense.
I really do just look at it in the same way I would a child jumping up and down to get attention. I don't care where the clown practices his typing(I can't imagine much more thought involved in a lot of his posts) but perhaps a warning should be posted for newcomers. I can't imagine someone coming here for the first time seeing the thread in which each letter of the alphabet required a new post. Why would anyone come back a second time?
Apparently keeping him happy is more important then providing a place for newcomers to have somewhere to learn and share.
This surprises me a lot about the DhO, maybe it really isn't such a loss for me if I don't visit anymore.

Metta,

Brian.

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12/18/13 2:38 PM as a reply to Brian Eleven.
I really appreciate your point here Brian. It does seem that the mods are so busy falling over themselves to accommodate the James Yen's that they entirely miss the opportunity to keep this place legible.

Nikolai, Beoman, what is it that you actually do?

Where is Daniel?

For gods sake grow a set and take some action.

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12/18/13 2:51 PM as a reply to Bagpuss The Gnome.
Bagpuss The Gnome:
I really appreciate your point here Brian. It does seem that the mods are so busy falling over themselves to accommodate the James Yen's that they entirely miss the opportunity to keep this place legible.

Nikolai, Beoman, what is it that you actually do?

Where is Daniel?

For gods sake grow a set and take some action.

I don't really do anything if I can help it. But I'll send him a message.

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12/18/13 2:57 PM as a reply to Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem.
Hah! Oh well...

I just came back to edit my post to be a bit less rude. Sorry guys. I came out of my evening meditation in the middle of the DN and am feeling a bit grumpy!

I stand by the sentiment, but the wording could have been a bit less shite.

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12/18/13 2:59 PM as a reply to Nikolai ..
Nikolai .:
sawfoot _:
I was mostly-joking about having a poll.

You know, if you take the 50 post recent posts, discount the sticky ones, then about a third of them are threads started by this one guy. A third.

I don't like the imposing of rules, so that is why my suggestion to Nathan would be to start up his own website and put his energies there. Or write a book.

So a more general issue is that we have (too) many categories. 20! The categories are useful for looking at historical content, but I think I am right in saying nearly everyone looks at the "recent posts" to look for new content.

One way to reduce noise would be to have some top level "forums", somehow linked to categories.

Off the top of my head:

Practice logs
Newcomers/beginners/ask a question
General discussion (practice related?)
Theoretical discussion


Just curious about your own practice sawfoot. Do you have a practice journal kept somewhere?

Nikolai, what does that have to do with this thread and the concerns sawfoot raised?

RE: a lot of spam topics lately on DhO...
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12/18/13 3:50 PM as a reply to Paweł K.
Should be studying at the moment, but this thread has aroused relatively strong feelings in me - of astonishment that people could be reacting so strongly. I mean realistically, how big a disruption is he? For those not interested and put off by his posts, seeing many of his threads in Recent Posts is just making it slightly more likely that they will be forced to click on to page 2 - so like a 2-3 second inconvenience. And for those new to the site looking for useful information, if they find his threads unhelpful, they can very easily avoid clicking into them in future.

I hate to see someone who stands out in a slightly uncomfortable way for some people get this kind of treatment anywhere as it strikes close to home with me. But on an already peripheral forum like this, and for a person who is nothing if not genuine, and thus likely telling the truth about their extensive experience in meditation, and thus a highly valuable source of advice for participants, it's especially hard to bear. Why not, you know, examine the basis for these aversive reactions instead of whining?

I also don't agree that any of his posts are useless. For example, in one recently that was later edited, he had a link to an interactive view of the scale of the universe from the hypothetical level of strings to the size of the observable universe and beyond. This inspired me to try asserting a perspective of smallness and insignificance during meditation -- seeing the 5 aggregates as if on the tip of a hair or as blocked arteries on a much larger stellar/galactic body -- that I found very powerful. So before you seek to stamp down on errant behaviour, maybe you could try shifting perspective on the situation to see if a more useful one can be found.