Psi Phi:
Is there term, for having an insight experience, but not having understood the experience? i.e. no wisdom, or no fruition? Psi Phi
You can have insight before fruition, that is what the stages of insight are.
Psi Phi:
Intellectually "I" get it, but it seems to have to be incorporated at the "feeling" level. For instance I can tell that alot of thoughts that arise come from the environment, (mimetic) ,or from memories, or from associated thought, etc. These are easily dismissed for the most part, (use of Right Effort Formula, Right Concentration , Right Mindfulness) , So, as these are readily understood as Not "I",
Psi Phi
The feeling level is the base, it is the embodiment, knowing your sad and being that embodiment in expression and crying is different. Yes.
That said, the four objects of insight include the mind, but that said, the mind is always intimately in relationship with emotions (still mind) with vedana (have you recognise vedana yet?) and with the body, somewhere in there is also the natural ability of the mind to recognise what is such as blue is blue and pain is pain. So thoughts, emotions and vedana (and recognition) are always in relationship with the body and consciousness needs to be mindful of this (mindfulness is not recognition as unmindful people still recognise blue and pain). Being able to see this relationship is 'Mind and Body' and 'Cause and Effect' the first and second insight stage.
So if you have really understood this mental aspect you will see how it is in constant relationship with the body!!!
Psi Phi:
What about the non-discursive thoughts, the thoughts used in contemplation and logical thinking, these sure do seem, to me , at this stage, that "I" am making them somewhere inside "my" thought machinery factory, that "I" am directing these thoughts towards conclusions and orchestrating thought into semi-coherent words and sentences. Is even my typing at this moment an impersonal process , of which my mindfulness and wisdom is just too weak to comprehend?
Psi Phi
Yes I guess.
But does an enlighten person or a person with insight see every leaf on the tree or just clearly their relationship with the leaf they are looking at? By this I mean each thought can be a new thread, this means a question just makes more questions.
'The recognition' is in relationship to the fact you are questioning, this might even be pre-conceptual, as in pure awareness in recognition.
The Existentialists prioritise being and say that our sensory experience is a big part of who we are in the moment, and when we continue to frame existent wholly in thought, its like we forget the other ⅔ of our existence, that is occuring right now.
While we neurotically plan and regret, or think about the past and future. Thinking is there, we don't need to stop it, but what else is going on?
A hell of a lot, and its changing all the time, and our thoughts are constantly labelling and cognitively interpreting our experience, also sometimes our thoughts are just plane wrong about our experience, mental bullshit. Any reasonable good counsellor can see this dilemma within the human experience. have a look at Eugene Gendlin's Technique called Focusing. It is a process of connecting with unconscious truth by listening to what the body is saying, through this process people start to really realise what is going on in their mind, which is constantly reacting to things held within the emotional body or the pain body or both. When your in a lot of pain its hard to be happy, you become that pain, that pain is you. Go visit a hospital or an old peoples home.