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Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/23/14 12:56 PM
Last night I saw for the second time an "eye floater" that was not an eye floater since it occurred in both eyes simultaneously. It reacted like an eye floater otherwise but it was vibrating/fluxing with a glass prism rainbowesque look to it. It expanded and got bigger but stayed in the periphery. allowing me to drive. lasted around 10-20 minutes then faded.
Has anyone experienced this? What was your experience and what to do with it?
Thanks,
~D

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/23/14 1:14 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Did it look like this ?




RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/23/14 2:43 PM as a reply to (D Z) Dhru Val.
yes, close enough, but more transparent and no part of vision was obscured like the second pic. ut the second pic color part is much closer.

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/23/14 3:10 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
brain damage, but I wonder what except meditation could have caused it... did you do tons of LSD in the past? 

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8/23/14 3:16 PM as a reply to Paweł K.
Paweł K:
brain damage, but I wonder what except meditation could have caused it... did you do tons of LSD in the past? 
I was contemplating your navel....should have known better...

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/23/14 3:38 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
found it in wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scintillating_scotoma


Here is a pic that is pretty acurate but it is a bit more colorful.
Scintillating scotoma is the most common visual aura preceding migraine
Never had migraines...doubt this is one exactly...kinda like meditative tinnitus is not actually tinnitus.
I'll look around and see what I can find...anyone with good links to this and meditation please link....thanks
~D

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/23/14 3:51 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
lol, you are on the RIDE 
some people just have it stronger, enjoy ^_^

ps. I would timidly suggest you to not ...

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/23/14 4:51 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
interesting article - http://www.eye-floaters.info/news/news-december2009.htm


Awakening the Inner Sense. Some Methods and Meditation Objects
What is the inner sense and how do we develop it? This article deals with open eye meditation that imply the concentration on both, material and subtle objects. As subtle objects, I present some entoptic phenomena and provide a short introduction on using them in our daily meditation.
Part 2/2: The subtle objects: subjective visual phenomena
After having explained the inner sense as connected to the visual sense (third eye), and presented squinting methods on material objects as meditation suited to develop that inner sense, we will now consider open eye meditation on subtle phenomena.
Subtle meditation objects can be feelings and thoughts. For developing the inner sense, however, those objects are particularly well suited which appear through the fusion of the inner sense and the visual sense. I’m referring to those subjective visual phenomena which are known in ophthalmology as “entoptic phenomena”. Entoptics are phenomena which are believed by the observer to be seen outside of him- or herself, though, physiologically explained, they are generated by the observer’s visual system. The following entoptic phenomena are suited as meditation objects for most people:

Afterimages: contrasting colored afterimages may be explained as the continuation of the effect of a visual stimulus when this stimulus has gone already. For example, blinking into the sun for a short time period will produce the colored afterimage of the sun in our visual field.
Meditation on afterimages includes producing these images by shortly glancing into a light source, e.g. a bulb or a candle flame. Against a dark background or with the eyes shut, we observe these colored luminous spots until they loose their intensity. Again, we generate another afterimage and observe it until it fades and so on. Observing the afterimage, we actively move it with our view and watch it change its form and intensity; we study its proper motion and the influence of our eye movements on its luminosity.

Phosphenes: Phosphenes are colored spots and blurs in the dark, often seen with eyes closed. They are said to be discharges of visual neurons. Meditation on phosphenes works similar like meditation on afterimages. However, it is more difficult because it has to be done without the stimulating effect of an external light source. We close the eyes and watch the colored spots taking shape in the dark. They tend to disappear from our awareness and therefore have to be made aware again and again by realigning our attention. An elaborated system of consciousness development focusing on afterimages and phosphenes was created by the French scientist and inventor, Dr. Francis Lefebure; the exercises of his “Phosphenism” combine visual concentration on afterimages with (neuro)physiological rhythmics.

Eye Floaters (mouches volantes): Eye floaters are scattered semi-transparent dots and strands appearing with bright light conditions in our visual fields and following the eyes’ motions. In ophthalmology, they are regarded as a normal opacity of the vitreous due to progressing age. Eye floaters meditation means that we bring these the objects into our field of vision and consciously look at them. We explore them, get to know their forms, constellations, and movements. We notice that the floaters constantly drift away, mainly down, and try to keep them in the field of vision. More advanced meditators of eye floaters will begin to see changes in movement, size and luminosity. The teaching of my mentor, seer Nestor, provides elaborated seeing and ecstasy techniques to work with eye floaters, as well as a spiritual interpretation of these dots and strands.

Blue field entoptic phenomenon: this formal term refers to “flying corpuscles” or “luminous spots”, tiny luminous spheres moving fast along in wound tracks. It is best seen in the blue sky (therefore: blue field entoptic phenomenon), but can become very strong in situations with extreme physical challenges like shocks or blackouts. From a medical point of view, it’s related to white blood cells flowing in the capillaries of the retina.
Unlike the other entoptics, the luminous spots can’t be fixed with the eyes directly but are seen in the peripheral field of vision. Observing luminous spots, therefore, improves our alertness in the whole visual field, rather than our ability to concentrate on particular objects.

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/23/14 5:33 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Lots of visual snow threads

google this ----> site:www.dharmaoverground.org visual snow

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/23/14 5:49 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Hi DW
Thodgal is a practical based around the investigation of eye floaters. They provide immediate feedback on the state and structure of the mind/counsciousness
Try to slow them down and bring them to the centre of your vision. The more effort you put into it the more they will fly out of view. It's counter intuitive
You will notice they come in groups of complementary colours. By finding the main thigle you move along a path closer to the source
I recommend you read a book called mouches volantes for a insight into the practices from western mystism
Www.eye-floaters.info for the authors website
For Buddhist teachings heart drop of dharmakaya is a good source
Using these practices you begin to see auras and the refraction of light around objects. The sky is full of rainbows
But it is the insight into consciousness/energy that the meditation technique is used for
Cheers
Jeff

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/23/14 6:04 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Those are migraine auras, not floaters at all. I've had hundreds of them, most often without the headache following. Scintillating scatomas, also known as fortification spectra. I wouldn't drive with them. Other parts of the brain can conk out during corticol spreading depression, which may compromise safety in such situations. 

Jenny

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8/23/14 6:06 PM as a reply to _.
And what to do with them is hope that they never come back. They are a pathological thing, after all, and not at all benign as far as brain damage goes.

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8/23/14 8:15 PM as a reply to _.
Jen Pearly:
Those are migraine auras, not floaters at all. I've had hundreds of them, most often without the headache following. Scintillating scatomas, also known as fortification spectra. I wouldn't drive with them. Other parts of the brain can conk out during corticol spreading depression, which may compromise safety in such situations. 

Jenny

Came here to say this, sounds like a pretty textbook migraine aura to me. I have no idea if this might be meditation related. Time to see a doctor emoticon

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8/23/14 8:36 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Looks like you have found the medical explanation already based on the other posts.

Because your initial posts hints at it. I will say that these are completely different from the Thodgal visions. 

I am not sure if there are other spiritual practice realted connections with this specific phenomenon. With regards to the general spiritual utility of these sorts of phenomenon here are 3 broad categorizations:

1. For some types of floaters, body tension, etc there is a sort of active neuro-feedback aspect of it makes them a useful tool
2. For blue-field, phosepenes and tinnitus there can be an aspect of seeing throgh the brain's filtering process that makes them somewhat useful.
3. For other sort of naturally occuring after images, halluciations etc, getting caught up into it too much is harmful.

For these reasons I would avoid reading too much into it spiritually. And maybe see a medical doctor if it continues.

All the best.

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/24/14 12:15 AM as a reply to (D Z) Dhru Val.
(D Z) Dhru Val:
Looks like you have found the medical explanation already based on the other posts.

Because your initial posts hints at it. I will say that these are completely different from the Thodgal visions. 

I am not sure if there are other spiritual practice realted connections with this specific phenomenon. With regards to the general spiritual utility of these sorts of phenomenon here are 3 broad categorizations:

1. For some types of floaters, body tension, etc there is a sort of active neuro-feedback aspect of it makes them a useful tool
2. For blue-field, phosepenes and tinnitus there can be an aspect of seeing throgh the brain's filtering process that makes them somewhat useful.
3. For other sort of naturally occuring after images, halluciations etc, getting caught up into it too much is harmful.

For these reasons I would avoid reading too much into it spiritually. And maybe see a medical doctor if it continues.

All the best.

Dhru, I didn't realize I was hinting at anything. I was describing a phenomenon that is weird and most of the weird stuff in my life is associated with meditation.
I'm looking for someone who has experienced the same phenomenon and can speak from experience if there is anything useful to do with them not. I am extremely ignorant in Tibeten stuff have little interest at this time in it. Thanks for the feedback even though it is very vague. If you would be willing to explain from first hand experience the usefulness of tools and the too much is harmful comments I would be interested. Example -I have gotten some use out of the tinnitus as I use it to compare internal sound with external sounds and use both to find the transition point between the arbitrary perceived internal/external duality.
Thanks,
~D

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8/24/14 12:20 AM as a reply to _.
Jen Pearly:
And what to do with them is hope that they never come back. They are a pathological thing, after all, and not at all benign as far as brain damage goes.

Thanks for your first hand experience. Have you experienced brain damage from this so far?
~D

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8/24/14 12:23 AM as a reply to Eric M W.
Eric M W:
Came here to say this, sounds like a pretty textbook migraine aura to me. I have no idea if this might be meditation related. Time to see a doctor emoticon
If I went to a doctor every time something weird happened....gonna put it in the bucket of weird stuff that happens every once in a great while that has not caused any side effects.
Thanks,
~D

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater" Scintillating scotoma
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8/24/14 12:28 AM as a reply to Jeff Grove.
Jeff Grove:
Hi DW
Thodgal is a practical based around the investigation of eye floaters.
Cheers
Jeff

Had no idea that was what Thodgal is about. I've played with eye floaters since I was a child. What I described was a different phenomenon, have you experience it? Anything useful or not?
Thanks,
~D

RE: Prismatic "Eye Floater"
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8/24/14 2:05 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
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]Regarding the thodgal comments, no problems just ignore it. The language of 'rainbow', 'floaters', and 'prismatic' can be used to described the thodgal visions, but they are different phenomenon, so I wanted to clairfy.

Regaring the sintillating scomata, I have experienced it once before, and it was before getting into meditation. So I have first hand idea of the sort of phenomenon you experienced. Not sure what spiritual practices you can do with it.

It is probably not harmful medically, but maybe still worth geting checked out if you are getting it a lot. Generally for non-psychological weird stuff I get it checked out, even if it is potentially a by product of meditation. eg. I had my eyes checked out by an optometrist who said they were fine.

The thing you mentioned about using tinnitus to dissolve perceptions of internal and external is good practice. 

But if you were getting caught up in the sound and either being to facinated by it or repulsed by it, then it would have been harmful ( in terms of your spiritual progress).

All phenomenon can be potentially useful spiritually.

But for some phenomenon there is a special relationship with mental grasping and objectifcation. With this types of phenomenon there can be specific techniques to work that set of phenomenon in order to overcome grasping. 

As an example: http://thehamiltonproject.blogspot.ca/2012/05/yogi-toolbox-floaters.html

Hope that makes sense.