Thank you all for your constructive comments, really appreciate it! This is a great conversation!!

Without going back and replying with quote to everyone just wanted to hit on a couple points. Appologize in advance for the length of my response!
- As a graphic designer of 10+ years the only time I ever use upper case is with a logo. You'd see it alot if you looked around. Sometimes its the details in how the letters or kerned (space between) that helps the eye, but I'm totally open to giving some revisions on any of these.
- A logo is symbolic, what else would it be? You could just put some bold text in helvetica with no symbol next to it, and that would make it super simple austere and non-symbolic. It could work... we could go in that direction. Makes me think of old scandinavian graphic design where it's just black on white bold type that is set really well, with no imagery.
Something kind of like this style... envision the "Dharma Overground" similar to how "Helvetica" is writen below and rest of site is only bold type headers with chunks of paragraph information, could even have very simple symbols for each category, like just a circle or triangle.. etc:

- All Home Page images I put in there are a quick way to give an example of breaking up information in an interesting way... not to be solidified in stone. Any of those images can be changed out and tweaked. But I wanted to show the concept of breaking up information in this way. Basically I strongly feel that having a wall of text is not the best way to introduce yourself. (and I personally love words and writing, so I understand wanting to do this!)
- Imagine for a second... introducing yourself to someone in daily life, by telling them a huge story about yourself, all your boundaries, who you are, and are not, and you go on and on like this for 30min, without giving the other party a chance to ask questions! Not even a hardcore Dharma yogi like myself wants to sit and read for an hour before figuring out where to look for quality practical information. At the very least please parse this down to smaller pieces, so we get to the point quick! I'm personally curious, as a meditator of 5 years, in finding out practical meditation advice so I can go sit and get this thing done. Give me bite size chunks to work with so I can get to the source, for my particular path problem.
- I know Daniel has a lot of great write ups about what this site is about. And it's in various places. But, I want to ask the question, because I've heard it from a few in this thread who might fear some kind of change if the site is more "welcoming": Is this about alienating people to just a few who claim to be "hardcore", or is it about helping anybody who is on the path?
Even some of the most hardcore do not want to spend too much time wading through words before accessing quality informative practical information. But this is just my opinion!
- Any way we can break up content to be more of preview with a header (image helps with this) can ease the search burden and help guide the user. Why not make it more streamlined? I would love to use this site without out going crazy trying to dig around for content which is in various strange categories only to leave after an hour or more of searching with little information taken away, but a bunch of peoples opinions I had to wade through. Where's the Gold? Organization and simplicity is key to helping people. The home page design we created is modular, consider what content you want to feature from the get go, and it can be done. What's the bigger picture this community wants to offer?
- Any logo we created can be tweaked. I'm going to post in here all of the variations we did. It will be difficult ultimately for a community of this sort to pick one from all the options everyone has provided, because everyone has a different opinion. It's good to get a variety though to see what has been offered!




- Probably Daniel and some of the moderators can make a team to take all comments and various logo work, and make an educated decision. Otherwise it will just go on and on in debates and opinions.
- Hopefully the ideas we shared in our presentation can help the thinking and options for what this site can offer, and how to present information clearly and easily. I personally don't think that by doing this, you will open the flood gates for people who are not "hardcore". I think it would simply serve to help more meditators on the path.
- I'm not tied to any particular logo being chosen, but I do strongly feel that a better organization of content would be vital to helping people on the path. In the big picture of life, that's really what this is all about (in my humble opinion)... but I'm not the one who created this community!
Hope this all helps

Mucho Metta to you all!!