<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" version="2.0"> <channel> <title>The Dharma Playground (DhP)</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_category?p_l_id=&amp;mbCategoryId=77850</link> <description>Put all discussions about friendship, community, gatherings, and things social and not so related to formal practice and theory here.</description> <pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 00:36:01 GMT</pubDate> <dc:date>2014-10-19T00:36:01Z</dc:date> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572393</link> <description>Thank you very much, DW. That was a very einlightening post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@Eric: Thanks for the hint on the Dipa Ma book. I just bought the kindle version and am looking forward to read it.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:10:00 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572393</guid> <dc:creator>Andreas Thef</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-23T11:10:00Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572365</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Eric M W:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of our very own here at the Dho attained first path as a stay-at-home dad.&lt;br /&gt;Good luck! It&amp;#039;s very possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Reading people&amp;#039;s experiences I may be a bit of an outlier but most of the people here on the Dho are incredibly lucky to have found the information that can allow them permanent shifts for the better. I crossed the A&amp;amp;P around 18 and have cycled since then with a lot of time in the DN. That being said I have been a stay at home Dad for over 6 years and have gotten to 3rd path during that time. Stream entry happened before reading MCTB with no formal training in meditation. I would meditate in the recliner on my breath whenever the baby slept. I would often sleep myself. I went on one retreat after SE and have a daily practice at the gym of 40 minutes a day and sometimes twice with a couple group sits a week also. So around 7 hours a week most of the time. The kids take up the rest of the time but I do sneak in posts here while they play. So as far as a success story goes, progress and kids can happen.&lt;br /&gt;The kids also teach lessons such as when I build an amazing cathedral of deep abiding calm only to see them smash this house of cards within five minutes of getting off the cushion. Staying in the moment with a 3 year old screaming at you is an opportunity that will not happen often in the monastic world. You get to test what you have and see what is real and workable and how much more there is to go. Your emotions, good and bad, get amplified and you learn new ways to express them.&lt;br /&gt;Children take your life away that you are familiar with and give you a new one....what you make of it is up to you. Lots of work and lots of rewards. The older they get the easier is becomes to carve out time for yourself. &lt;br /&gt;There are no easy answers on deciding to have children but I&amp;#039;ve found it is not solely an intellectual decision...follow your heart too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Andreas Thef:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt; At one point I even considered becoming a monk but gave up that idea since I am married and love my wife very much.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; This will happen with your children too.&lt;br /&gt;I would recommend couples counseling to help get some clarity.&lt;br /&gt;Good luck,&lt;br /&gt;~D</description> <pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 09:31:41 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572365</guid> <dc:creator>Dream Walker</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-23T09:31:41Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572339</link> <description>I think one of the major problems is that I make this whole decision about me. Maybe instead I should take more responsibility for the (yet unborn) child. Maybe I should ask myself what would be the advantages or disadvantages for him/her if he/she one day becomes my son/daughter.&lt;br /&gt;And will it make the world a better place if I raise children? Hm, food for thoughts...</description> <pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:00:26 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572339</guid> <dc:creator>Andreas Thef</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-23T08:00:26Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572336</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Eric M W:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;I have three kids and one more on the way. &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;Thanks Eric for this very honest and balanced view. It speaks to both sides in me. But as I think a lot of the clarification process happens through disillussioning myself about what advantages/disadvantages there are.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:55:03 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572336</guid> <dc:creator>Andreas Thef</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-23T07:55:03Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572332</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;couple of questions- &lt;br /&gt;how old are you? &lt;br /&gt;how long have you been married? &lt;br /&gt;Sounds&lt;br /&gt; like there is some negotiation/mediation that needs to happen there &lt;br /&gt;completely seperate from the practice angle if you don&amp;#039;t want kids and &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for you replies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@ Jake: I am 34 years old and we&amp;#039;ve been married for about a year now. The negotiation part really is a tough one. The marriage already was, as I primarily did it because of legal and financial issues. The symbolism does not really give me anything and I don&amp;#039;t feel like marriage is a strong commitment nowadays where a divorce is done pretty easy and almost without any social condemnation (at least where I live). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question about motivation is a tough one. Though not a stream enterer I feel like my practice will stay the most important thing in my life, no matter what. At least without kids. My thinking mind says &amp;#039;No, I don&amp;#039;t want to have kids.&amp;#039; But I also know that my background plays a big role in this. Both my parents were married and divorced more than once. My childhood wasn&amp;#039;t really devastating but it wasn&amp;#039;t a happy one either. Plus I had cancer at a relatively young age which motivates me a lot to walk the spiritual path. I&amp;#039;ve become very aware of the fact that I am going to die someday - don&amp;#039;t know why, don&amp;#039;t know when.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So all that comes into play, too, I suppose. But another part of me thinks: when I dig through all my anxieties and conditioning, all my childhood stuff etc. I might one day regret not having kids. And I might regret not having them with my wife as she really is a hell of a kind and loveable person. But as much as I love my wife and can even see myself as a very loving and caring dad, on the other hand I see the differences and my lack of motivation to have kids. Will I turn against myself or even my wife and kids when I make this decision while ignoring my reservations? There are so many voices inside my head arguing for and against it. That&amp;#039;s basically why I started the discussion to get more clear about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for sharing your experiences with your kids. Being less self-absorbed and make this life less about &amp;#034;me, me, me&amp;#034; is an important argument for me. And sometimes I think the bigger my aversion to having kids the more I might benefit from having them. That&amp;#039;s definitely something to ponder about.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2014 07:50:52 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572332</guid> <dc:creator>Andreas Thef</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-23T07:50:52Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572124</link> <description>I have three kids and one more on the way. &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having a family while on the path can be very difficult, but it also has its advantages. Don&amp;#039;t let the childless hermits on long retreats scare you away from having kids.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Disadvantages&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first thing about having kids that I noticed-- my life was no longer my own. I could no longer play video games late at night, randomly hang out with friends, or even pursue a lot of my hobbies. Caring for children, especially when they are infants, is very, very time consuming. Your life will revolve around that child. Time for formal sitting? Forget about it. What little spare time you have will be used for sleep, because guess what-- babies wake up quite regularly in the night, and sometimes they stay up. You have to sleep when baby sleeps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another thing that can be quite disconcerting is that meditation will often be interrupted. Remember when you used to meditate for any length of time and not be interrupted? As it turns out, that was a luxury. This can actually be a big problem if you are in weird and whacky insight territory, and suddenly your baby starts crying. Good luck getting that sorted out, it can be a real mind-fuck.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Advantages&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Metta practice. Having children flooded me with emotions that I didn&amp;#039;t know I had-- love and compassion deeper than anything I&amp;#039;ve experienced before. This makes metta very easy. Childless meditators will never know the depths of parental love. Chalk that one up to a huge advantage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for more advantages... I can&amp;#039;t think of too many. When your child(ren) get older, everyone gets on a schedule, and you can set aside time for meditation again, and arrange for childcare for short retreats. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I personally crossed the A&amp;amp;P and made it up to Equanimity with two kids, one of which has special needs. Don&amp;#039;t be afraid to blur the line between &amp;#034;formal sitting&amp;#034; and &amp;#034;off-the-cushion life.&amp;#034; Be mindful at every moment. Profound insights can arise at any time if you work at it. It&amp;#039;s very possible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;amazon&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;Dipa-Ma-Legacy-Buddhist-Master&amp;#x2f;dp&amp;#x2f;0974240559&amp;#x2f;"&gt;I highly recommend this book&lt;/a&gt; about Dipa Ma to meditators with children. She was a firm believer that enlightenment was possible in any circumstance, and many of her students were &amp;#034;householders.&amp;#034; One woman got enlightened just by being mindful while nursing her baby, and another attained profound insights while folding the laundry. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of our very own here at the Dho attained first path as a stay-at-home dad.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Good luck! It&amp;#039;s very possible.</description> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 19:57:53 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572124</guid> <dc:creator>Eric M W</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-22T19:57:53Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572089</link> <description>Hey Andreas,&lt;br /&gt;couple of questions- &lt;br /&gt;how old are you? &lt;br /&gt;how long have you been married? &lt;br /&gt;Sounds like there is some negotiation/mediation that needs to happen there completely seperate from the practice angle if you don&amp;#039;t want kids and she does. That&amp;#039;s a toughie! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then before addressing the kids/practice question I would say, it sounds like you have something to think about: what do YOU want? Really? Before adding this whole other element into the mix (practice) just looking at your whole life it sounds like you  would simply prefer not to have kids. Of course, in some stages of the path, for some people, there can be a strong renunciate urge to simplify life, and this can change for many reasons, so can you count on that motivation staying the same? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally I found becoming a parent a really important aspect of my overal waking up and growing up. Indispensible. Yes, for the first few years in particular it was tough to fit it all in; that&amp;#039;s part of the process. It&amp;#039;s given me much better appreciation for my &amp;#039;me&amp;#039; time, hobbies, etc (and I really thought I had lots of appreciation for those things before lol!). But even more importantly for me, it helped turn a lot of that young adult self-absorption inside out (which was especially good because I was allready in my thirties by then haha!). This was incredibly transformative and really supported my path. If having kids is going to disrupt your path than I am not sure what kind of a path it is, honestly. In some sense I suppose that could be said for any circumstances in life-- but the bottom line is, having a kid doesn&amp;#039;t mean you won&amp;#039;t have time to practice. You just may need to prioritize among your &amp;#039;hobbies&amp;#039; and use what little free time you have for meditation if that&amp;#039;s your priority for the first couple of years. Once they are able to entertain themselves it gets a lot easier! That said, I had some pretty good meditation sessions with a toddler literally crawling all over me and a cat curled up in my lap etc...</description> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:40:51 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572089</guid> <dc:creator>. Jake .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-22T17:40:51Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>Walking the path - with kids</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572070</link> <description>Hello everyone,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;for the last 5 years meditation and the path to enlightenment has become the most important thing in my life. At one point I even considered becoming a monk but gave up that idea since I am married and love my wife very much.&lt;br /&gt;Problem is she wants to have kids and makes not having them a disqualifier for our relationship. Personally, I could very well do without them. I don&amp;#039;t mean that I don&amp;#039;t like kids but I&amp;#039;m not keen getting them myself. I know that&amp;#039;s in part because I am pretty self-absorbed and love to live a more or less reclusive life. But aside from studying the dhamma and practicing meditation I have enough hobbies to fill every single day. And my biggest fear is that having kids will make it harder to walk the spiritual path. I know that practice is all about getting comfortable with whatever situation you are in and for some having kids can be spiritually enriching, but I wonder how much harder it is to dilligently practice and walk the spiritual path even with kids. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since I know that some of you are parents and still seem to make progress I would like to hear your opinion on that topic. How has having kids influenced your practice? Does it make it harder or do you find it beneficial? And even if you don&amp;#039;t have kids, what&amp;#039;s you take on this?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;Andreas</description> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:26:46 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5572070</guid> <dc:creator>Andreas Thef</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-08-22T17:26:46Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>Home retreat through May 15, 2014 [katy steger] [MIGRATE]</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5527611</link> <description>Home retreat through May 15, 2014 [katy steger] &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;katy steger - 2014-04-26 21:09:01 - Home retreat through May 15, 2014&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi all, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A DhOer is hosting communal sitting practice through their email&amp;#039;s video service through May 15. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hours we&amp;#039;ve been sitting are daily:&lt;br /&gt;Morning: EST 6-7 a.m. (UTC 10:00-11:00) and &lt;br /&gt;Evening: EST 8-9 a.m. (UTC 00:00-01:00).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anyone would like to come to this periodically or consistently, just send a PM and the link would be sent in reply.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2014 10:04:10 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5527611</guid> <dc:creator>Migration 6.2 Daemon</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-05-07T10:04:10Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Is the private message system down?</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5420554</link> <description>Probably&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;DhO has been hacked.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I shut down some possible vulnerabilities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Working on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for the inconvenience,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 01:08:08 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5420554</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-04-13T01:08:08Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>Is the private message system down?</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5420476</link> <description>Is the private messaging down?</description> <pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 23:43:05 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=5420476</guid> <dc:creator>Bailey .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2014-04-12T23:43:05Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Someone needs to make it so you can see if you have new private message</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563993</link> <description>Currently Manish Yadav is working on the upgrade: should hear something in the next week or three, depending.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am open to moving to another platform also if it makes sense to do so, the costs are not too prohibitive, functionality and data is not lost, and it would make development easier.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not like Liferay has been all fun and roses, but it has gotten us this far and was a step up after WetPaint, and at least we didn&amp;#039;t risk being suddenly deleted or dropped like happened to KFD.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If after 6.1 happens and we are still not happy, and anyone can figure out how to move this site to a new platform that is better, let me know what you think the best options are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be really nice if it had a wiki with wiki authoring controls like the new version of Liferay apparently does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:57:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563993</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-08-12T21:57:21Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Someone needs to make it so you can see if you have new private message</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563902</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;I just provide a valid email address in my profile, and I get an email when I get a PM. Then I check it on the site.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My e-mail address is in the profile and I don&amp;#039;t receive an e-mail when I get a private message. A solution could be to re-direct the home to the messages page. Daniel said there is another attempt at upgrading the version of liferay in the making. If it end up being a failure, I think we should consider re-booting this community to another plateform and keep this forum for archives only. Moving only the username and password to another plateform shouldn&amp;#039;t be too hard. Everything is impermanent, so they say. We should just get over it and start with a brand new modern forum with better social media features.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&amp;#039;t know how much Daniel is attached (?) to liferay but going to something la Joomla would open up possibilities and make it easier to find developers. We could have a fundrasing and pay some guy to setup a great community that could evolve over time. I think it&amp;#039;s time to discuss what&amp;#039;s are the orientation for this community and see how we want the technology being put in place to support that vision.</description> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:42:02 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563902</guid> <dc:creator>Simon T.</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-08-12T20:42:02Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Someone needs to make it so you can see if you have new private message</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563803</link> <description>I just provide a valid email address in my profile, and I get an email when I get a PM. Then I check it on the site.</description> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:01:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563803</guid> <dc:creator>Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-08-12T20:01:21Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>Someone needs to make it so you can see if you have new private messages!!</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563696</link> <description>Someone needs to make it so you can see if you have new private messages on the main screen!!</description> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:39:15 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4563696</guid> <dc:creator>Bailey .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-08-12T19:39:15Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4493484</link> <description>Wish I could make it (I leave Monday morning), but I would definitely be up for something on Friday as I get in Thursday night also.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:54:11 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4493484</guid> <dc:creator>Russell .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-07-23T14:54:11Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4493451</link> <description>Yeah, looking forward to hosting this geeky gathering! &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;ll probably create a google event with more instructions on how to get to my place, etc. and then drop the link here. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Vince</description> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:49:54 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4493451</guid> <dc:creator>Vincent Horn</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-07-23T14:49:54Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4492577</link> <description>Incidentally, I get into Boulder on the night of the 15th and will have the day of the 16th also, as well as the night of the 18th perhaps (depending on what happens) if anyone is interested in hanging out. I fly out the afternoon of the 20th.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:12:27 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4492577</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-07-23T07:12:27Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4492574</link> <description>Hey, Vince and Emily Horn have offered to host a gathering at their apartment the day after the Buddhist Geeks Conference in Boulder, Co (meaning August 19th).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realize this is late notice and probably everyone has booked their rooms and tickets and all that, but it is a good, kind offer and would be really easy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will be there, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope to see you also,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2013 07:10:11 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4492574</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-07-23T07:10:11Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4432844</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;(must resist pressing button....How can he possibly resist the diabolical urge to push the button. Will his tortured mind give in to its uncontrollable desires? Can he resist the temptation to push the button that, even now, beckons him even closer? At the MERE...PUSH...of a SINGLE...BUTTON! The beeyootiful SHINY button! The jolly CANDY-LIKE button! Will he hold out, folks? CAN he hold out?) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,&lt;br /&gt;Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt,&lt;br /&gt;It lies behind stars and under hills,&lt;br /&gt;And empty holes it fills,&lt;br /&gt;It comes first and follows after,&lt;br /&gt;Ends life, kills laughter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Copyright 19.., J.R.R. Tolkien, The (Button) Hobbit, unpublished)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Press it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;:]</description> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2013 00:22:57 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4432844</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-27T00:22:57Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4431595</link> <description>Daniel,&lt;br /&gt;What is the protocol for scheduling an event? Can anyone start one? The create event button seems to work for me....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(must resist pressing button....How can he possibly resist the diabolical urge to push the button. Will his tortured mind give in to its uncontrollable desires? Can he resist the temptation to push the button that, even now, beckons him even closer? At the MERE...PUSH...of a SINGLE...BUTTON! The beeyootiful SHINY button! The jolly CANDY-LIKE button! Will he hold out, folks? CAN he hold out?)</description> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:27:09 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4431595</guid> <dc:creator>Dream Walker</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-26T22:27:09Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4430813</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Kenneth Folk:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt; We would need a place in Boulder where we could meet and talk, preferably out of the weather, with a modicum of privacy (a house or conference room, as opposed to a tavern, for example), and with a low level of ambient noise, so the discussions can be heard.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;BG conference in my olde home town due to the price of flights but I can suggest the finest place to meet. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might be a bit big but I have fond memories of this place: &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;chautauqua&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;venues&amp;#x2e;auditorium&amp;#x2e;html"&gt;Chataqua Hall&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are also lots of open places to meet around there but a lot depends on the size of the crowd. I would think that word o mouth would swell it a bit if it is to take place AFTER the actual BG conf.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lots of fun to all.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:02:35 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4430813</guid> <dc:creator>tom moylan</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-26T15:02:35Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4428710</link> <description>Yes, please.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:56:05 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4428710</guid> <dc:creator>Eran G</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-25T16:56:05Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4426758</link> <description>I&amp;#039;m up to meet again this week, if anybody is interested. Wednesday at 6 CDT is still good for me.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:48:36 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4426758</guid> <dc:creator>Matthew Horn</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-25T04:48:36Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4426674</link> <description>Hello:&lt;br /&gt;I will be in Boulder for the weekend, but not at the conference, and would still like to connect with folks.&lt;br /&gt;I am going to a retreat near there on Monday afternoon, and doing Jin Shin Jyutsu in the area over the weekend.&lt;br /&gt;I am also looking for an inexpensive place to stay.&lt;br /&gt;It would be nice to meet with folks and share.&lt;br /&gt;with metta, Constance</description> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2013 04:36:37 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4426674</guid> <dc:creator>Constance Casey</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-25T04:36:37Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4415299</link> <description>Thank Vince Horn for helping me create both and for everyone who participates and makes this place what it is.</description> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2013 02:22:37 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4415299</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-21T02:22:37Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414996</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Craig N:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;katy steger:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;To me, that was a really interesting first meeting. I fell asleep and woke up thinking about how people are practicing right now (including how people are falling asleep...) and how people are approaching the practice from different angles at the moment: via khandas, music, food, bare sensate awareness, the means for letting the mind ease into fourth jhana, body responses to the jhanas (expansions, limitedlessness...); some definition and taxonomy questions (nirodh, dharmacakku)....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, these are just some things I remembered this morning. I do have this feeling of wanting to hear everyone give a short dharma talk at the beginning (may seem contrived), to see more clearly what people are doing at present, how they came to it, how it&amp;#039;s working for them... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;m looking forward to more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it is what I&amp;#039;m practicing at the moment, I was curious who else is approaching practice via the s/k(h)andas or aggregates? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won&amp;#039;t hijack the thread by going into details here but if anyone wants to compare notes please feel free to email me at myfragileego@gmail.com or post a thread on the topic or point me to an existing thread if I missed it &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks&lt;br /&gt;Craig&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been for awhile now. It has been one of the most rewarding of practices. But it is a different approach to pure actualist practice. What makes you think it will help it? Start the thread if you wish to discuss it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nick</description> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jun 2013 00:44:26 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414996</guid> <dc:creator>Nikolai .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-21T00:44:26Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414622</link> <description>&lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;dhammatalks&amp;#x2e;org&amp;#x2f;Archive&amp;#x2f;111111_Feeding_on_Feeding&amp;#x2e;mp3"&gt;This talk&lt;/a&gt; by Thanissaro is an example of the aggregates in terms of feeding, like I mentioned in the Hangout meeting yesterday. (First explicit mention of aggregates around 1 min 50s.) Later in the talk, he discusses fabrication of skillful forms of the aggregates in terms of jhana as a form of feeding.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:12:05 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414622</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T22:12:05Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414603</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;katy steger:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;To me, that was a really interesting first meeting. I fell asleep and woke up thinking about how people are practicing right now (including how people are falling asleep...) and how people are approaching the practice from different angles at the moment: via khandas, music, food, bare sensate awareness, the means for letting the mind ease into fourth jhana, body responses to the jhanas (expansions, limitedlessness...); some definition and taxonomy questions (nirodh, dharmacakku)....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, these are just some things I remembered this morning. I do have this feeling of wanting to hear everyone give a short dharma talk at the beginning (may seem contrived), to see more clearly what people are doing at present, how they came to it, how it&amp;#039;s working for them... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;m looking forward to more.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As it is what I&amp;#039;m practicing at the moment, I was curious who else is approaching practice via the s/k(h)andas or aggregates? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I won&amp;#039;t hijack the thread by going into details here but if anyone wants to compare notes please feel free to email me at myfragileego@gmail.com or post a thread on the topic or point me to an existing thread if I missed it &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks&lt;br /&gt;Craig</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:04:28 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4414603</guid> <dc:creator>Craig N</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T22:04:28Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4413363</link> <description>That was a great test run. Thanks for everyone who showed up and participated. There were some good topics and it was interesting to hear everyone&amp;#039;s understanding of the dharma. I can&amp;#039;t wait to have some more advanced practitioners to join so we can get some of the more advanced topics covered. Thanks Daniel for creating the DhO community</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:58:40 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4413363</guid> <dc:creator>Dream Walker</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T15:58:40Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4413347</link> <description>Yeah, that was good. Would do it again.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 15:46:08 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4413347</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T15:46:08Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4410755</link> <description>To me, that was a really interesting first meeting. I fell asleep and woke up thinking about how people are practicing right now (including how people are falling asleep...) and how people are approaching the practice from different angles at the moment: via khandas, music, food, bare sensate awareness, the means for letting the mind ease into fourth jhana, body responses to the jhanas (expansions, limitedlessness...); some definition and taxonomy questions (nirodh, dharmacakku)....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, these are just some things I remembered this morning. I do have this feeling of wanting to hear everyone give a short dharma talk at the beginning (may seem contrived), to see more clearly what people are doing at present, how they came to it, how it&amp;#039;s working for them... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;m looking forward to more.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:52:31 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4410755</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T08:52:31Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408708</link> <description>I just created the Dharma Overground Community on Google +.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Send me an email if you want an invite: dr daniel m ingram [at} gmail *dot) com obviously put in normal form&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Jun 2013 00:56:35 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408708</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-20T00:56:35Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408554</link> <description>Thanks, that appears to be working.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:18:14 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408554</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T23:18:14Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408549</link> <description>OK, I followed those instructions, I&amp;#039;m getting &amp;#039;No results for &amp;#034;DhO&amp;#034;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;No results for &amp;#034;Dharma Overground&amp;#034;&amp;#039; when I search for those terms in Hangouts on the the Google Plus page.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:17:10 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408549</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T23:17:10Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408546</link> <description>Hey, try this link and see if it works&lt;br /&gt; https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5f710661ec5784347f9ab2911750d80958ae51bd?authuser=0&amp;amp;hl=pt-BR</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:16:58 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408546</guid> <dc:creator>John P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T23:16:58Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408447</link> <description>Alright, we started the hangout already.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just search for DhO as instructed by Dream Walker above.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:12:51 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408447</guid> <dc:creator>John P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T23:12:51Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408444</link> <description>How do I find the DhO hangout? Searching for DhO on google plus brings up a lot of unrelated stuff. Searching for Dharma Overground brings up something relevant, but it doesn&amp;#039;t offer any obvious entry to a hangout.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 23:09:19 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4408444</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T23:09:19Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407816</link> <description>I created a public hangout called - DhO&lt;br /&gt;I think you just search for DhO and you will find it....first time for me...so just trying it out&lt;br /&gt;Update-&lt;br /&gt;sometimes it stops working and I have to reboot my computer to get it working again.&lt;br /&gt;to seach for DhO go to the google plus page and click on more then select hangouts and search for DhO....you should find it</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:01:44 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407816</guid> <dc:creator>Dream Walker</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T17:01:44Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407781</link> <description>Hey Dreamwalker, I think you forgot to give a link to the Hangout or whatever you are supposed to give when doing these.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I&amp;#039;m aware a lot of people are from different timezones, so I just wanted to give a tip:&lt;br /&gt;You can easily use wolfram alpha to calculate the right time, it will automatically detect your timezone and convert it. As an example, see this query: &lt;a href="https&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;wolframalpha&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;input&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x3f;i&amp;#x3d;time&amp;#x2b;9&amp;#x25;3A41&amp;#x2b;pst"&gt;https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=time+9%3A41+pst&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PS: Also, as far as I know, that &lt;em&gt;Doodle&lt;/em&gt; website also takes care of timezones when needed</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:54:40 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407781</guid> <dc:creator>John P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T16:54:40Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407777</link> <description>John, the time we&amp;#039;ve been working with so far is 6pm CDT this evening. Of course, it&amp;#039;s all just penciled in.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:54:01 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407777</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T16:54:01Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407737</link> <description>We should definitely try it out....how about just a non-formal test run...&lt;br /&gt;I just created a DhO hangout.. time is 9:41 pst&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;ll be in and out all day&lt;br /&gt;have fun&lt;br /&gt;~D</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:42:33 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407737</guid> <dc:creator>Dream Walker</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T16:42:33Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407683</link> <description>Sure, have we got a time scheduled yet?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Otherwise, I suggest using a website such as &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;doodle&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;"&gt;Doodle&lt;/a&gt; to find a time where the most people can participate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never used Google Hangouts before, but I do know that first you must have a Google+ account and, second, you must download the software (available &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;google&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2b;&amp;#x2f;learnmore&amp;#x2f;hangouts&amp;#x2f;"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I created one example of the Doodle service I mentioned above: &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;doodle&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;rpc9uf2whzivhey6"&gt;http://www.doodle.com/rpc9uf2whzivhey6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you use it, remember to use your DhO forum nickname.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:11:28 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407683</guid> <dc:creator>John P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T15:11:28Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407605</link> <description>Everyone else: should we do it anyway? How do we go about setting up a hangout? (Never used one.)</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:33:03 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407605</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T14:33:03Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407555</link> <description>They need me to cover the night shift tonight, so I won&amp;#039;t be able to be here today. I will be available next week.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:20:51 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4407555</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T14:20:51Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4406520</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Daniel M. Ingram:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Inspired by Buddhist Geeks doing something like this, I was thinking that perhaps it would be fun to have Google Hangouts at times where DhO people got together and talked about whatever over video and perhaps record it for YouTube.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cool, great idea! We&amp;#039;ve been using the Communities feature of G+ to organize (at least part of) the Buddhist Geeks Community. You may also find that a helpful tool. &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;</description> <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jun 2013 06:03:52 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4406520</guid> <dc:creator>Vincent Horn</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-19T06:03:52Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4405121</link> <description>Me, too.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:05:20 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4405121</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-18T19:05:20Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404886</link> <description>I&amp;#039;m free every evening between 5pm and 9pm Central time.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:01:22 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404886</guid> <dc:creator>Simon T.</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-18T17:01:22Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404831</link> <description>6 pm CDT this Wed 19th Jul works for me.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:46:17 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404831</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-18T15:46:17Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404699</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Daniel M. Ingram:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;I am free the afternoon, evening and night of the 19th Central Time, if anyone is free during any of that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me know, and I will start a hangout then. Let&amp;#039;s try to converge on a time. I like the proposed topics listed above. Should be fun.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="https&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;docs&amp;#x2e;google&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;document&amp;#x2f;d&amp;#x2f;1FEXZIPqAslDUTI3ThmXQuoQzR9mEBfdCj7YtpR0bk7M&amp;#x2f;edit&amp;#x3f;usp&amp;#x3d;sharing"&gt;Here&amp;#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a list of questions that anyone can edit. I prefer 6 CDT since it&amp;#039;s the earliest I can get out of work, but feel free to start earlier. More than 9 yogis have expressed interest in attending, but if we get more than 9, you can use &lt;a href="https&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;support&amp;#x2e;google&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;plus&amp;#x2f;answer&amp;#x2f;2553119&amp;#x3f;hl&amp;#x3d;en"&gt;Hangouts on Air&lt;/a&gt; to broadcast the session to Youtube.</description> <pubDate>Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:48:58 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4404699</guid> <dc:creator>Matthew Horn</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-18T14:48:58Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4402336</link> <description>Good Idea Tom</description> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:30:19 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4402336</guid> <dc:creator>Rod C</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-17T23:30:19Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4402094</link> <description>Hi everyone,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love the idea of piggy-backing something onto BG. The problem with tacking it on at the beginning or end is that many will already have flights and accommodation booked. I think it would be best to try and dovetail it into the existing BG schedule (but then, I am not sure what Daniel and Kenneth have in mind precisely as a format). For example, the conference starts later on Friday, which leaves the beginning of the day wide open.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-- tomo</description> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:02:41 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4402094</guid> <dc:creator>Tom O.</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-17T23:02:41Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4399838</link> <description>I am free the afternoon, evening and night of the 19th Central Time, if anyone is free during any of that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me know, and I will start a hangout then. Let&amp;#039;s try to converge on a time. I like the proposed topics listed above. Should be fun.</description> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:12:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4399838</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-17T07:12:21Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4399141</link> <description>Since I have held these before. Here are some potential guidelines.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9 people max in a hangout. (At least the last time I did it) much more than that gets ridiculous anyways. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first time doing is good for intros etc and free flow to see how it all works. Eg- hi my name is X I&amp;#039;ve been practicing for X my teacher is x I am currently struggling with/ experiencing y. Etc. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This usually gets thing moving for the first one. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just a suggestion. I have done free flow talk ones and guided meditations ones. Hangouts are a great medium for both.</description> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2013 02:40:19 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4399141</guid> <dc:creator>Russell .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-17T02:40:19Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4397530</link> <description>This sounds fun, I&amp;#039;d like to stop by if I can!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just throwing out some topics-&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Could be a big can of worms, but... AF discussion would be interesting... what is it, how does it relate to the practice in MCTB, comparing it to traditional attainments&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Practice tips and techniques, new tweaks and shortcuts, practice philosophy, the hierarchy of practice in an insight cycle, maybe some tips on getting PCE&amp;#039;s (I&amp;#039;ve seen instructions but some are contradictory, some seem vague, some seem to just land me in 3rd jhana)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-If anyone is also interested in gaining some insight (no pun intended), retreat advice, advice on getting stream entry/2nd/3rd/4th path&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Tips on the watcher, non-dual practice, how to use the watcher to move through insight stages&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Discussion of path moments, fruitions, how they might be experienced, re-experienced&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Integration of insight in daily life&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-How jhana might be used in insight practice&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Any new interesting meditation science&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Any interesting meditation experiences people are having&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Difficulties in practice/daily life related to practice, possibly DN discussion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&amp;#039;s just a few things that come off the top of my head, if anyone is also interested in those things at this point in time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(edit: ha ha, my post is in the shape of the state I live in!)</description> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:33:54 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4397530</guid> <dc:creator>Mind over easy</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-16T18:33:54Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4397487</link> <description>@Russell (or anyone qualified to answer)&lt;br /&gt;would you mind letting us all know what (if any) prerequisites are for Google Hangouts?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe Google has a group calendaring / planner function too: is that integrated in the Hangout space to enable group scheduling?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;are the Hangout moderated such that the moderator can control the speaker or is it free for all and sort of &amp;#034;roberts rules&amp;#034;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;are there limits (practical or technical) to these meetups?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;tom&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ps I&amp;#039;m in europe so will just try to fit in with the centroid of the time scatter graph</description> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:10:21 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4397487</guid> <dc:creator>tom moylan</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-16T18:10:21Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4396791</link> <description>Definitely interested!</description> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:52:29 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4396791</guid> <dc:creator>Scott P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-16T10:52:29Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4396772</link> <description>although I&amp;#039;m in england also, would love to see this happen. would be great also if any of it was recorded for those that can&amp;#039;t be there.</description> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:52:04 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4396772</guid> <dc:creator>Scott P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-16T10:52:04Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395288</link> <description>It&amp;#039;s great to see so much interest. Daniel and I were thinking of something modeled after the early days of the Royal Society of London, founded back in the mid 17th Century for the study of natural philosophy (and alchemy, which was about as close as they got to science and chemistry at the time). The best and the brightest of the day would gather together to share ideas and information, inspire one another, argue passionately, and just hang out with their fellow nerds. &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif" &gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Interesting idea, staying a day after the BGeeks conference for our own little thing. If we decide to that, we&amp;#039;ll have to decide soon so we can all make or modify travel plans. Any more thoughts on this, or administrative volunteers? We would need a place in Boulder where we could meet and talk, preferably out of the weather, with a modicum of privacy (a house or conference room, as opposed to a tavern, for example), and with a low level of ambient noise, so the discussions can be heard.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:53:12 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395288</guid> <dc:creator>Kenneth Folk</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T21:53:12Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395079</link> <description>Keen for this too.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:01:32 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395079</guid> <dc:creator>Andy W</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T21:01:32Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395075</link> <description>I suspect that it&amp;#039;s unlikely that I could attend, being on the other side of a giant ocean to most of you. But I&amp;#039;d be delighted to know that this kind of thing was going on, and even happier if the highlights were disseminated to those of us in foreign parts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, if there was ever a pragmatic dharma retreat happening, then I would sell my eye teeth to get there.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:00:52 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4395075</guid> <dc:creator>Andy W</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T21:00:52Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4392778</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;1) Specify times and topics you would want to see discussed then.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matthew Horn had &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;dharmaoverground&amp;#x2e;org&amp;#x2f;web&amp;#x2f;guest&amp;#x2f;discussion&amp;#x2f;-&amp;#x2f;message_boards&amp;#x2f;message&amp;#x2f;4383805"&gt; &amp;#034;Random Questions&amp;#034; &lt;/a&gt;last week. I&amp;#039;d be interested to start with some of those.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:09:11 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4392778</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T10:09:11Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4392038</link> <description>Regarding BG: some of this already does happen there, but tagging on a day or two after or before where we found a place would save on travel time, duplicated effort, and the like...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not a bad idea.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We will need to think about the hard logistics in general: where, when, how long, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Neither of us want to do a lot of coordination, so people will be responsible for their meals and lodging wherever it happens, much as BG does.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More thoughts?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 06:09:45 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4392038</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T06:09:45Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4391970</link> <description>Well then, next steps:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) Specify times and topics you would want to see discussed then.&lt;br /&gt;2) Post those things somewhere like here.&lt;br /&gt;3) Actually do it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel</description> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 05:53:00 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4391970</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-15T05:53:00Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390886</link> <description>I also would like to participate in such a thing</description> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:08:12 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390886</guid> <dc:creator>John P</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-14T16:08:12Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390382</link> <description>All good for me if timing works</description> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:26:30 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390382</guid> <dc:creator>Rod C</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-14T07:26:30Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390084</link> <description>Sounds good.</description> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 03:59:27 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4390084</guid> <dc:creator>Teague</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-14T03:59:27Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389912</link> <description>me too.</description> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 01:32:57 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389912</guid> <dc:creator>(D Z) Dhru Val</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-14T01:32:57Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389792</link> <description>I&amp;#039;m in!</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:13:47 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389792</guid> <dc:creator>Nikolai .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T23:13:47Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389728</link> <description>It sure would be interesting. I think identifying a specific subject to be discuss at each session would make those discussion more valuable.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:46:04 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389728</guid> <dc:creator>Simon T.</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T22:46:04Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389301</link> <description>Wonderful idea!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don&amp;#039;t think I&amp;#039;llhave anythingto add but even watching that wouldbe awesome.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:23:09 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389301</guid> <dc:creator>Mario Nistri</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T19:23:09Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389125</link> <description>hmm...just try and keep me away</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:52:02 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389125</guid> <dc:creator>tom moylan</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T17:52:02Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389106</link> <description>just try and keep me away</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:50:06 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389106</guid> <dc:creator>tom moylan</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T17:50:06Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389092</link> <description>That would be nice!</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:47:41 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4389092</guid> <dc:creator>Mario Nistri</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T17:47:41Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388311</link> <description>I have put these together many times on another forum, so I am in if you guys are doing them.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:24:36 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388311</guid> <dc:creator>Russell .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T13:24:36Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388291</link> <description>I am in, can we do this at the BG conference at some point since a ton of us will be there this year?</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:23:00 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388291</guid> <dc:creator>Russell .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T13:23:00Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388267</link> <description>I am also interested. Time permitting.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:17:36 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4388267</guid> <dc:creator>(D Z) Dhru Val</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T13:17:36Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4387165</link> <description>Count me as a maybe. It depends on timing and how much vacation time I&amp;#039;ll have left by the time it happens. I&amp;#039;ve been talking with Kenneth for a few years. It&amp;#039;ll be a pleasure to meet him in person.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:21:11 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4387165</guid> <dc:creator>Jigme Sengye</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T01:21:11Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4387126</link> <description>I&amp;#039;m interested.</description> <pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:18:15 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4387126</guid> <dc:creator>Jigme Sengye</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-13T01:18:15Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386874</link> <description>Same here.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:12:08 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386874</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T23:12:08Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386856</link> <description>Count me in as well, I think that would be very helpful.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:25:48 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386856</guid> <dc:creator>Justin M</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T22:25:48Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386840</link> <description>Same here.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:18:15 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386840</guid> <dc:creator>Jane Laurel Carrington</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T22:18:15Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386108</link> <description>I think that&amp;#039;s a great idea. I am interested. Thanks.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:52:20 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386108</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T21:52:20Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386104</link> <description>Yes, I&amp;#039;d like to participate. Thank you.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:51:20 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386104</guid> <dc:creator>katy steger</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T21:51:20Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386090</link> <description>Very much so.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:47:07 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386090</guid> <dc:creator>Rod C</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T21:47:07Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386052</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;fivebells .:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;Sounds awesome.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Seconded.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:52:45 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386052</guid> <dc:creator>Matthew Horn</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T20:52:45Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386047</link> <description>Sounds awesome.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:45:07 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386047</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T20:45:07Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>UnConference Gathering to Debate and Discuss Practice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386042</link> <description>Kenneth Folk and I were thinking about helping to create a gathering of people who really wanted to talk about and discuss practice, real, personal practice, as well as have some scheduled, moderated debates where people discussed various controversies, such as and particularly things related to maps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anyone is interested, chime in here.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:43:23 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4386042</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T20:43:23Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>Google Hangouts</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4385977</link> <description>Hey,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Inspired by Buddhist Geeks doing something like this, I was thinking that perhaps it would be fun to have Google Hangouts at times where DhO people got together and talked about whatever over video and perhaps record it for YouTube. Something scheduled, perhaps regularly, or just spontaneously, both would be fun. Could create DhO Circles, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Any interest?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Daniel&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;BTW: on google hangouts, I am daniel_ingram interactivebuddha {dot} com or dr daniel m ingram [at} gmail com without the spaces and substituting appropriate punctuation.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:27:01 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4385977</guid> <dc:creator>Daniel M. Ingram</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-06-12T20:27:01Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4144251</link> <description>After being bullied on this thread, I must say my interest was piqued. I found some interesting things. First, &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;skepdic&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;adhominem&amp;#x2e;html"&gt;for the record&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;The ad hominem fallacy is often confused with the legitimate provision of evidence that a person is not to be trusted. Calling into question the reliability of a witness is relevant when the issue is whether to trust the witness.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving on. Searching for &amp;#034;common-law court movement,&amp;#034; and &amp;#034;personal sovereignty movement,&amp;#034; quickly brings one near to the dark side of the internet. However, most materials seem to have not been updated since the &amp;#039;90s. I found one credible article from the South Dakota Law Review (LAW UNTO THEMSELVES: THE IDEOLOGY OF THE COMMON LAW COURT MOVEMENT,1999). It&amp;#039;s behind a paywall (unless you have a university password - that&amp;#039;s my definition of freedom, baby!) so I&amp;#039;ll quote it at length.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;Most of these cases emerge from activists&amp;#039; belief that they can exempt themselves from the jurisdiction of the legitimate courts, and from government in general. As such, the common-law court movement is best understood as a form of social contract fundamentalism that has incorporated important aspects of American nationalism. While fundamentalism is generally spoken of as a religious phenomenon, we argue that common-law court activists fit the definition of fundamentalism as a social&lt;br /&gt;movement. According to Martin E. Marty and R. Scott Appleby, fundamentalism shares several attributes which may also be found in forms of right-wing activism: fundamentalists are &amp;#034;convinced of the conspiratorial nature&amp;#034;of a nonbelieving majority, have &amp;#034;adopted a set of strategies for fighting back,&amp;#034; and feature leaders who have &amp;#034;ransacked the tradition&amp;#039;s past, retrieving and restoring neglected or soft-pedaled doctrines and practices, and creating others&amp;#034; with the purpose of creating militant grassroots organizations. Labeling common-law court activists as social contract fundamentalists emphasizes how these groups have reconstructed social contract theory in a literalist fashion.&lt;br /&gt; Traditional social contract theory has held that the majority consent of the population was necessary for the creation of a civil society in a fictional past, and that the members of a civil society can dissolve the political authority of the government through a majority decision.&amp;#034; Common- law court activists assert a radical version of social contract theory which argues that consent may be withdrawn by individuals and small groups, who thereby escape the jurisdiction of a government which is accepted by the majority. Such a doctrine is equivalent to anarchy, and its implications have become manifest in adherents&amp;#039; numerous acts of lawlessness. Rather than working within a system they perceive as unlawful, activists form their own &amp;#034;common-law courts,&amp;#034; which they claim to be superior to the federal and state courts. Common-law courts have issued a&lt;br /&gt;constant barrage of illegitimate writs, liens and other documents, causing problems for local, state, and federal authorities, as well as the legitimate court system. The personal sovereignty movement, in which participants claim to free themselves from the jurisdiction of the courts and such government agencies as the IRS, Social Security, and Department of Motor Vehicles, is closely allied with the common-law court movement in its insistence that individuals may be sovereign over democratic institutions... personal sovereignty activists pose a direct threat to the principle that all persons are equal under the law by propounding their own radically individualistic political theory.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The movement is closely aligned ideologically and culturally with right-wing militias and racist hate groups, &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;archive&amp;#x2e;adl&amp;#x2e;org&amp;#x2f;mwd&amp;#x2f;common&amp;#x2e;asp"&gt;http://archive.adl.org/mwd/common.asp&lt;/a&gt;according to the ADL. It&amp;#039;s too grotesque to quote here, so have a look for yourselves if you wish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, in this thread we have a subject way off-topic, abusive posters, and content that effectively amounts to a call to subvert the US government. Moderators?</description> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 21:33:55 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4144251</guid> <dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-30T21:33:55Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143431</link> <description>Ian And, did not mean theory in any dismissive way. Thanks for the pointers.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 09:49:15 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143431</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-30T09:49:15Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143295</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;fivebells .:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;Could you cite some cases which have been won using this legal theory, please? Links to the court decisions would be handy, too, as I don&amp;#039;t have easy access to Lexis-Nexis.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your use of the term &amp;#034;legal theory&amp;#034; tells me that you haven&amp;#039;t quite grasped the importance of the difference between the words &amp;#034;legal&amp;#034; and &amp;#034;lawful&amp;#034; and what that can mean in a real world confrontation with the &amp;#034;system&amp;#034; here in America (and elsewhere, for that matter). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have you taken the time to read the Consent PDF? And the Presumption PDF? Those two pieces will provide you with a foundation for study as well as providing case cites with regard to what you ignorantly call &amp;#034;theory.&amp;#034; Theories are often viewed as generally being unproven facts or principles of some kind or another. Lawful process (using the common law), on the other hand, has a long and glorious history in humankind, and is well worth looking into. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for court decisions, in most instances, the kind of challenge to the legal system that these so-call &amp;#034;theories&amp;#034; present them with usually end up in their cases being dismissed without further harassment, therefore there are few cases, beyond mere personal anecdotal examples, to be cited. They simply are not recorded except by the individual victorious suitor. Once one understands why this is, it becomes less mysterious. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you&amp;#039;re looking for evidence of success, you can find many instances &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;suijurisforum&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;success-stories-f17&amp;#x2e;html&amp;#x3f;sid&amp;#x3d;b1336035eab7ad75466ae3cf3386daa5"&gt;in this sub-forum where Success Stories&lt;/a&gt; are posted. As a matter of fact, this forum (and it&amp;#039;s previous iterations: suijuris.net and suijurisclub.net, both of which are now defunct) is a good place to learn about the practical application of these &amp;#034;ideas&amp;#034; from people more knowledgeable than myself. (However, the proof in the pudding happens to be how well one understands these principles of law enough to successfully apply them, and in that endeavor, I have had my share of victories.) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Otherwise, the purpose of this thread is for self-education and knowledge in the law and lawful process as it can be asserted in present-day America. Obviously, the people who are interested in pursuing these alternative remedies to the statutory jurisdiction will be interested to learn about their effectiveness. That part of my presentation comes later in the process of this thread. I am extremely busy at the moment, and as I have time, I will add to this thread. It takes time to properly compose and prepare a posting.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 05:54:26 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143295</guid> <dc:creator>Ian And</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-30T05:54:26Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143058</link> <description>Ian And, this is interesting. Could you cite some cases which have been won using this legal theory, please? Links to the court decisions would be handy, too, as I don&amp;#039;t have easy access to Lexis-Nexis.</description> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 03:31:24 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4143058</guid> <dc:creator>fivebells .</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-30T03:31:24Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4139293</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Michael Cannon:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;Unless you are saying this guy isn&amp;#039;t a birther, then that&amp;#039;s pretty much what we&amp;#039;re looking at.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hey all,&lt;br /&gt;I, for one, feel a little uncomfortable with this thread in this forum only because I really appreciate the tight focus this place provides. That said, I also appreciate IanAnd&amp;#039;s pasion for tying some Personal Liberty themes together in a way that&amp;#039;s rare to find and obviously well researched.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I , for the record, do not believe that the president was born in the united states after looking at the evidence. Call me crazy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;@IanAnd - Thanks for the reading material&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers friends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;tom</description> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:18:12 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4139293</guid> <dc:creator>tom moylan</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-28T19:18:12Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4135165</link> <description>Ian, the only ad hominem attack I&amp;#039;m aware of is the charge of being childish, and the insinuations about being brainwashed by the media. Has anyone attacked you like this? Please be nice. An author&amp;#039;s credibility is certainly fair game. Michael&amp;#039;s analogy to the biologist is apt. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is common to feel that our opinions are intrinsic to self. When they are rejected, we may feel rejected too. A lot of discord stems from this, especially in politics.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:44:02 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4135165</guid> <dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-27T13:44:02Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134331</link> <description>Yeah, I anticipated that. &lt;br /&gt;If I sought information from someone on evolutionary biology and the first sentence out that person&amp;#039;s mouth is &amp;#034;Well, first God created Adam and then from his rib came Eve!&amp;#034; I no longer take the person seriously. Time is just too precious.&lt;br /&gt;Unless you are saying this guy isn&amp;#039;t a birther, then that&amp;#039;s pretty much what we&amp;#039;re looking at.&lt;br /&gt;And not being from the mainstream media (whatever that is anyway), doesn&amp;#039;t mean he&amp;#039;s automatically credible enough for me to wade through arid text. There&amp;#039;s lots of nutjobs that are card carrying non-members-of-the-mainstream-media.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all derive self-esteem from our world view. That&amp;#039;s natural. What&amp;#039;s surprising to find on a Buddhist site is someone who has such an unflinching devotion to a lopsided political/legal treatise. At least that&amp;#039;s how it appears. I&amp;#039;m sorry, birther equals nutjob. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You got someone who isn&amp;#039;t a birther, or someone who doesn&amp;#039;t call atheism a religion, or someone that at least understands the science behind bias is humble enough to admit the complexity of issues, I&amp;#039;m all ears.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;edit: a belief. He calls atheism a belief. Not a religion.&lt;br /&gt;It is, of course, not a belief, but a lack of a belief.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:31:29 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134331</guid> <dc:creator>Michael Cannon</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-27T07:31:29Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134125</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Jason B:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;In considering how to approach an unfamiliar subject that is abstract, contentious, technical, &lt;strong&gt;and potentially time-consuming&lt;/strong&gt;, context can help a bunch in sorting the wheat from the chaff. To that end, I found this quote from &lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;www&amp;#x2e;orgsites&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;ca&amp;#x2f;waternow&amp;#x2f;"&gt;Mr. Brobst&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &amp;#034;By the end of the Obama administration, President Obama will have signed so many executive orders as to eliminate Congress on important issues. Those executive orders will become precedent that cannot be overturned by a future president, because Obama was elected as a foreign citizen president; as such, he is not bound by the separation of powers doctrine of the U.S. Constitution.... Change to a dictatorship is exactly what obama had in mind when he ran for president. After all, his background training in whatever form you want to call it, whether Communism, Fascism and the likes thereof, had him well prepared for that position as the start of a dictatorship. All executive orders must be published in the Federal Register, then, they become law.&amp;#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And that is the clearest statement I&amp;#039;ve come across in relation to this thread. Anyone think this sounds like a credible person?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;Yeah, I checked that guy&amp;#039;s website too. Along with poor proofreading, a lack of credentials, and some other red flags, he removed himself as a being a source on anything when he stated he was Birther. &amp;#034;Obama was elected as foreign citizen president.&amp;#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&amp;#039;s too bad. The arguments might be worth a look. But not from a Constitutional Purist frothing at the mouth.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;m afraid you&amp;#039;ve both missed the point of this thread, fellas. If it&amp;#039;s not your cup of tea and you don&amp;#039;t want to spend the time in research and study of the principles involved in understanding the intricacies of how law works in America, then no one is forcing you to read or pay any attention to this thread at all. Be well and on your way to other diversions. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might have been compelling if either of you could have addressed anything substantive about the research that Mr. Brobst (&lt;a href="http&amp;#x3a;&amp;#x2f;&amp;#x2f;freedom-school&amp;#x2e;com&amp;#x2f;history&amp;#x2f;usa&amp;#x2e;html"&gt;USA The Republic&lt;/a&gt;) has done and proven him mistaken in any of his conclusions or explanations. Yet, lacking anything of substance to challenge him on, throwing mud at the wall of his character and seeing how much of it might stick through &lt;em&gt;ad hominem&lt;/em&gt; attacks just seem childish and something I would have expected of the people at another Buddhist forum. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At any rate, be well in your illusions about what has taken place in this country. Apparently, the mainstream media is doing its job only too well. &lt;img alt="emoticon" src="http://www.dharmaoverground.org/dho-theme/images/emoticons/sad.gif" &gt;</description> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 05:16:11 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134125</guid> <dc:creator>Ian And</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-27T05:16:11Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134084</link> <description>Yeah, I checked that guy&amp;#039;s website too. Along with poor proofreading, a lack of credentials, and some other red flags, he removed himself as a being a source on anything when he stated he was Birther. &amp;#034;Obama was elected as foreign citizen president.&amp;#034;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&amp;#039;s too bad. The arguments might be worth a look. But not from a Constitutional Purist frothing at the mouth.</description> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:22:27 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4134084</guid> <dc:creator>Michael Cannon</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-27T04:22:27Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4130308</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Daniel F Gurzynski:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;You know, none of this is relevant as far as I can see, to the purpose of this forum.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree with you there. Perhaps this was meant for the OP?</description> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 22:53:22 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4130308</guid> <dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-25T22:53:22Z</dc:date> </item> <item> <title>RE: The Law, The Money and Your Choice</title> <link>http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4130128</link> <description>&lt;div class="quote-title"&gt;Daniel F Gurzynski:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="quote"&gt;&lt;div class="quote-content"&gt;You know, none of this is relevant as far as I can see, to the purpose of this forum. Why not take your soap box and go where it will be attended to. Thanks.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#039;m not sure what you mean. I was responding to the content of the thread. The quote is from the person linked to and quoted extensively by the OP.</description> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:40:49 GMT</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dharmaoverground.org/c/message_boards/find_message?p_l_id=&amp;messageId=4130128</guid> <dc:creator>Some Guy</dc:creator> <dc:date>2013-03-25T21:40:49Z</dc:date> </item> </channel> </rss> 