Hi Rist,
Rist Ei:
hi!, i wanted to say something about how to do it.
Since the title of this thread says "making it clearer", I hope you don't mind expanding on what you wrote.
Preliminary work: read everything about mindfulness and noting and letting go and start practicing noting for strengthening the mindfulness and concentration simultaneously. I gave noting up after some time.
1. To attain first path, use surrender/letting go. That means don't try to do anything, just be awake and still.
Doing this have had some fruitions,
What is a 'fruition' in your own words. Describe it phenomenologically please.
at first i didn't know what they are, because expected something big but instead they were just moments what induced a satisfactory done feeling thus ended the meditation session every time when it happened.
Please explain the before and after affects phenomenologically of what you are calling a 'fruition'.
After some time it started to feel stagnant because i didn't know how to progress fast.
I read about self and kundalini learned the chakras, i also have read taoist alchemy. Meanwhile trying to figure out what is the "Now" what everybody speaking, something like being here and now or dwelling in present moment.
Then one day while meditating i got insight of trying myself force away from the stuff what were hitting me and was annoying(like heartbeating, breathing, pulse, bugs etc). I started really a struggle inside of myself, lots of ideas started to circle like i can't run away. Started questioning who i am, seriously what makes me being here.
Then I found the feeling "what makes me here feeling/feeling what let me know to myself that i exist" I figured that i can make that feeling stronger by will and force and i can choose the intensity of it. Also noticed it made the vibrations faster.
(later i searched in google what it is and its correct name is "applying the sushumna").
Can you provide a link to this practice please.
2. path- i used the same applying the sushumna method and started to notice that the capacity to force it grows very fast, i liked it because it meant tangible progress. Then one day i got 2nd path, put i didn't recognized it as path, but it was something more stronger event, it has tangible afterglow..but i didn't manage to repeat it because i moved forward to next path.
What changed after what you are calling '2nd path'? What was the perceptual baseline like? What is absent? What has arisen? What seems different?
3th- i continued the method of making myself more real(applying sushumna) and got 3th path, and things got more clear and happy.
Please answer the same questions as above for what you are calling '3rd path'.
Sometime between or after 2,3 path i read book, Daniel Ingram's MCTB... Then i started to think back and recognized three different very similar events and also the dark nights etc, very good book. Also thx to that book got clear what are the doors.
And got to know that there is the Nirodha samapatti. I wanted to experience it...
What is the experience of 'nirodha samapatti' in your own words?
4th path-
i read that from that book that its removing the last knot, and its very hard to reach that far,gave me the impression that its near impossible. For me it took more time than 2nd and 3rd but i didn't had dark night that made it for me easier. Dark night disappeared after 3rd.
But the point is that using the method applying sushumna..i manage to have rock solid nirvikalpa samaphatti(8th jhana),
Any links where it says this nirvikalpa samaphatti is the same as 8th jhana? Also please provide a phenomenological desctiption of what you are calling the '8th jhana'.
i knew what to look for. I entered nirvana,
What is 'nirvana' in your own experience phenomenoligically? Please give a detailed description of what you are calling 'nirvana'.
started catching the self feeling,
where you 'catching the self feeling' while in what you are calling 'nirvana'?
applying myself(sushumna) then i saw the neutral feeling(it has many names like gate, nothingness etc)
What do you mean by 'nothingness'? As in the 7th jhana experience?
and took it as object and i was on the other side of the coin, the stuff was hitting the nothingness what i was holding and it doesn't affected me the "watcher".
This is all still happening while in what you are calling 'nirvana'?
The other day i got to the Nirodha samapatti. And before started practice i got the inner feeling of reaching it. Its a place of solid awareness and darkness. Then after sometime thought rise by itself and i got back from there.
Again, what is 'nirodha samapatti' in your own experience? Please provide phenomenological descriptions.
After having these experiences i started to contemplate what have happened. I knew before that what we are doing is that we are rediscovering ourselves what we already are and always have been, so it must be doable here and now without going in some kind of jhana or state of mind. Searched from the internet the meanings of these experiences. Nirvikalpa is basically Jiva(individual soul,atma) have a taste what it looks like to be Paramatma. And there is the total extinction but awareness remains state. I then made myself so clear as i can be, then my awareness met with the "knot" and it resolved. And it was second time(felt like it) i do it but first time wasn't enough, i suppose, to really get it.
Please give a description of what you mean by 'knot'. How did it resolve phenomenologically?
Conclusion is: there is 3 paths because there is three groups of chakras, according to Taoism, there is lower, middle and higher dan'tians. What you are doing is leading prenatal energies to the head/higher dantians. And there comes the three unknown events. First level is you don't identify yourself with sensual things, 2nd level is you don't identify yourself with the things you need to do, actions.3rd is you don't identify yourself with the thoughts.
The conclusion is all yours, but there is little to go on for readers at the DhO. It's all experiences you called this and that term without giving phenomenological descriptions which is the norm here at the DhO. Could you give some more details into what you are calling '3 paths'. How does one practice each of what you are calling 'path'?
4th just is making the conclusion what it is to be satcitananda/god consciousness+bliss and let it happen. I have no idea what else than this could be the 4th path arahant.
Can you provide links to where 'satcitananda/god consciousness etc' is the same as what you are calling '4th poath arahant'.
you will get it fast by figuring out how to apply sushumna and force kundalini to 7th chakra- to head. When you can do apply the sushumna then possible at least within a year, disciplined meditation and contemplation and reading as much as you can(about self/who you are). from waking up to falling asleep.
Every time you stuck then ask help from inside. There is Lord who is watching you and already knowing every your move in advance and protecting you. Trust him.
Can you provide an in depth description of 'applying sushumna' and 'forcing kundlini to the 7th chakra'? Who is this 'lord' watching over 'you'?
I generally call bullshit on people's claims when there is an absence or avoidance of detailed phenomenological descriptions and just high terms attached to supposed experiences. I hope you can provide such things. I think it best to avoid allowing yogis at the DhO blindly accepting someone's unproven authority based on very little. You have assigned high terms for this and that experience. How do we know you are talking about the same thing as other yogis here? We don't yet.
Sincerely
Nick