James Yen:
Simon you gotta help me out here.
Why are you trying to oust and pinpoint me? Do you realize that it's not possible? (I tried to do this with a friend.)
I will never yield, just as you will never give up.
This is the dance I wish to avoid.
(smiley face)
James, I can pin you down, because
I am the Tathagata. By encompassing your mind with my mind, I have determined that on the dissolution of your body, after death, you will reappear in a state of deprivation. I see this also with the divine eye, just as clearly as if you were to look at a ball rolling off a roof, you would know the ball will fall on such and such a spot and not on another.
It's nothing personal, it's just that these faculties never lie and are infallible.
However, I also understand your inclinations and the disposition of your faculties, along with the ways leading to all destinations. So I know that by me speaking this, there is a good chance you will correct your path and make the right exertions, leading to Full Awakening
*in this lifetime*, instead of the wrong exertions, leading to a painful, extremely long stay in hell. Which hell? To be honest it's not looking good. You are trying to split the sangha by preaching Not-Dhamma as Dhamma, which is basically the worst offense you could commit. Keep in mind I only say the following to help you correct your path.
First, you will fall into the Avici hell, where you are going to be roasted in an immense blazing oven with terrible suffering. You will remain there for 3,397,386,240,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Avici hell, you will fall into the Pratapana hell, where you will be impaled on bloody tridents. You will remain there for 424,673,280,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Pratapana hell, you will fall into the Mahapadma hell, where the frost will crack your entire body into pieces, exposing your internal organs to the cold which will crack them also. You will remain there for 290,688,000,000,000,000 years.
Once you exit the Mahapadma hell, you will fall into the Tapana hell, where you will be pierced with fiery spears by the hell guards until flames issue from your nose and mouth. You will remain there for 53,084,160,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Tapana hell, you will fall into the Padma hell, where blizzards will crack open your frozen skin, leaving you raw and bloody. You will remain there for 14,534,400,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Padma hell, you will fall into the Maharaurava hell, where hellish animals will torment you and eat your flesh. You will remain there for 6,635,520,000,000,000 years.
Once you exit the Maharaurava hell, you will fall into the Raurava hell, where the ground is eternally burning; you will scramble about looking for shelter; finally when you think you've found it you will get trapped and it will start blazing around you; after years of blazing you will be released, only to run about again. You will remain there for 829,440,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Raurava hell, you will fall into the Utpala hell, where blistering raging blizzard storms will peel the flesh from your body and turn your bones blue. You will remain there for 726,720,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Utpala hell, you will fall into the Samghata hell, where you will be smashed by huge masses of rock and turned to pulp, only to be reanimated as the rocks part to be then smashed again. You will remain there for 103,680,000,000,000 years.
Once you exit the Samghata hell, you will fall into the Huhuva hell, where the cold will make you shiver and your teeth chatter. You will remain there for 36,336,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Huhuva hell, you will fall into the Kalasutra hell, where black lines will be drawn on your body, which the hell guards will use to cut you with fiery saws and sharp axes. You will remain there for 12,960,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Kalasutra hell, you will fall into the Hahava hell, where you will never find respite from the cold, constantly lamenting your pain. You will remain there for 1,816,800,000,000 years.
Once you exit the Hahava hell, you will fall into the Sanjiva hell, where you will have molten metal be dropped on you, where you will be sliced into pieces, where other beings will relentlessly attack you. You will remain there for 1,620,000,000,000 years. Once you exit the Sanjiva hell, you will fall into the Atata hell, where the cold is so great, with no relief from it, that you will perpetually shiver from the frost. You will remain there for 90,840,000,000 years. Once you exit the Atata hell, you will fall into the Nirarbuda hell, where blizzards will raise blisters on your body and then burst them, leaving you covered in frozen blood and pus. You will remain there for 4,542,000,000 years.
Finally, once you exit the Nirarbuda hell, you will fall into the Arbuda hell, where you will lie naked and alone with perpetual blizzards blistering your body. You will remain there for 227,100,000 years.
However, because your path is currently so vile, the bad karma so great, once you exit the Arbuda hell, you will not be reborn as an animal. No, you will fall into the Nirarbuda hell, and go through the entire sequence in reverse order. Once you have completed the course and spent 3,397,386,240,000,000,000 years in the Avici hell again, you will follow the sequence again in forward order.
Then, once you exit the Arbuda hell for the second time, you will be reborn as a slug. You will be squished and squashed and eaten by all sorts of creatures. After a thousand lifetimes of being a slug, you will be reborn as a fish. You will be eaten by other fish, die of diseases, and get caught by fishermen. After a thousand lifetimes of being a fish, you will be reborn as a bird. You will be a poor hunter, constantly starving, and you will be constantly hunted down. After a thousand lifetimes of being a bird, you will be reborn as a lion. You will never have children, you will always be diseased, and men will kill you for your fur.
After a thousand lifetimes of being a lion, you will be reborn as a hungry ghost. You will wander the realm, searching in vain for fulfillment. After a thousand lifetimes of being a hungry ghost, you will be reborn as a titan. You will constantly be in conflict with other titans, and you will be weak and never win.
Finally, after a thousand lifetimes of being a titan, you will be reborn as a human. At this point you will be in much the same spot as you are now, having burned off all the bad karma your actions are currently generating, and you'll have another shot of attaining Full Awakening. What you do in that lifetime will determine whether you do another course of hells, or whether you attain the greatest and most valuable treasure that any being in any realm could ever hope to attain.
Please, James, spare yourself the trouble of going through all that and correct your path now.
Cheers,
- Claudiu, the Ultimate, Unsurpassed, Extreme Tathagata