Eric M W:
Hmm, it is indeed weird that those enlightened people get so grumpy, isn't it? And some sometimes even can be mean. It's almost like those two behaviours might be correlated....Still, it is a nice name to call oneself.
An enlightened individual can be grumpy and still not suffer.
Hi Eric,
I must say I'm utterly confused by this response (it's a theme recently nothing personal

Also I'm new here and I don't want to offend/hijack anyone, so for safety's sake I'll assert that fairies never get grumpy, I know this because whenever I've seen them they're super-chipper. Aghem, moving on...
My understanding of dukkha is mainly informed the Buddha's teachings of the two arrows. The first arrow is actual bare senate pain which can't be eliminated as long as we have human bodies (I think I'm borrowing from Pema Chodron here as well) and the second arrow is our reaction to that pain. In my mind grumpiness is a reaction, a second arrow, like depression. My viewpoints are also very colored by Goenka's presentation of the dharma and the role that sankharas play in negative emotional responses etc, so that may contribute to my confusion as well
If an Enlightened person can get grumpy (therefore making all of us unfortunately non-enlightened people grumpy by association, not very compassionate of them) can they also get depressed and angry and vengeful and what's the f-ing point then?!
Besides suffering, dukkha has been translated as 'stressful' among other terms like 'anxiety' (by heavy hitters like Thanassaro Bhikkhu). Isn't grumpiness stressful? Doesn't enlightenment eliminate things like stress and leave one experiencing the emptiness of the brahma viharas: love, compassion, joy and equanimity? I feel a little duped. Because I've had some deep post-meditative experiences abiding in fearlessness, compassion and joy for weeks on end (not grumpy at all back then), I'm ready to be corrected, but I thought the whole point was the eliminate suffering - the Buddha said he taught two things, suffering (stress, anxiety etc) and the elimination thereof. I thought that my temporary Buddha-like experiences (which were really sweet btw) would be made permanent by the attainment of arahatship (actually I was aiming for Stream Entry or Once Returner only but now I'm not so sure about any of it)
Please help me understand what I'm missing here!? Were my experiences purely jhanic and the result of meditating 10-plus hours per day (which is no way to live IMO moving forward), when will I go roller skating?!
I know I'm wildly veering off from the fairy business, but this is at least tangentally related to intellectual honesty (don't get me started on reincarnation) and plus, I really like this thread. I'm clinging to the fairies. Oh no - fairy sankharas!
Daniel