What should I do next to achieve jhana - Discussion
What should I do next to achieve jhana
Matthew Jon Rousseau, geändert vor 4 Jahren at 15.11.19 04:35
Created 4 Jahren ago at 15.11.19 04:35
What should I do next to achieve jhana
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I do I hour sittings of breath concentration. About 15 minutes In my breath gets slow and almost un noticeable. I also get pleasant feeling at that time .the feeling is just pleasant in My body. QUESTION. should I make that pleasant feeling my primary object of concentration for the rest of the time in sitting or revert to breath. My mind wonders more when I revert to breath.
Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, geändert vor 4 Jahren at 15.11.19 04:55
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RE: What should I do next to achieve jhana
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It might be a good idea to try to fill your breath with that pleasant feeling and make the breath really exquisite.
Dream Walker, geändert vor 4 Jahren at 15.11.19 05:49
Created 4 Jahren ago at 15.11.19 05:49
RE: What should I do next to achieve jhana
Beiträge: 1739 Beitrittsdatum: 18.01.12 Neueste BeiträgeMatthew Jon Rousseau:
QUESTION. should I make that pleasant feeling my primary object of concentration for the rest of the time in sitting or revert to breath. My mind wonders more when I revert to breath.
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hae1en, geändert vor 4 Jahren at 15.11.19 09:27
Created 4 Jahren ago at 15.11.19 09:26
RE: What should I do next to achieve jhana
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In Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond Ajahn Brahm gives a good <checked myself> advice on this. Switch concentration focus from breath to luminosity/nimitta or pleasure/piti themselves only after they stop to wobble/pulse and become stable.
If I remember well he also advocates spending plenty of time with breath and letting go, because first level of pleasure/piti is piti born of letting go, so it will disappear in early jhana states if focused too early on. Unless it's allowed to act as a spontaneous factor abiding in the background/peripheral awareness. Second level of piti is piti born of concentration and this is stable even as an object and not background quality.
This works for me regardless of hard/soft jhana paradigm.
If I remember well he also advocates spending plenty of time with breath and letting go, because first level of pleasure/piti is piti born of letting go, so it will disappear in early jhana states if focused too early on. Unless it's allowed to act as a spontaneous factor abiding in the background/peripheral awareness. Second level of piti is piti born of concentration and this is stable even as an object and not background quality.
This works for me regardless of hard/soft jhana paradigm.
Matthew Jon Rousseau, geändert vor 4 Jahren at 15.11.19 11:34
Created 4 Jahren ago at 15.11.19 11:34
RE: What should I do next to achieve jhana
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I never get a visual nimita. I've seen a couple of annoying lights but I just ignore them and return to. Breath or pleasant feeling.