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Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 29.09.18 01:14
Created 5 Jahren ago at 28.09.18 18:43
Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeMy priorities:
- I want this trip to be primarily focused on strengthening my concentration. My main mode of meditation has been anapanasati and I’m looking for a place that would be supportive for this practice or other concentration practices.
- I know how to meditate, so I don’t need basic instruction, but I do need access to a good teacher to occasionally ask questions when I occasionally run into an issue. It would be ideal if the monk or teacher is well accomplished themselves and speaks from wisdom. I’ve heard that sometimes people get stuck in strange states of concentration and it would be very helpful to have an experienced meditator to talk to if such an issue arises.
- Looking for a place that has a strong hold of traditional Buddhist virtues. A serious environment would be important too. I’m still in the beginning stages of meditation, but I still want to approach this in a serious manner and reduce distractions.
- Cost: I’m on a tight budget so by donation or a modest cost of residency would be important.
- Primarily looking within Theravada.
- I don’t speak any Thai so there needs to be some level of accessibility to be able to communicate.
- Ideally, I could work this out within Thailand to avoid visa issues, but I may consider other nearby countries if the center/monastery looks like a good fit and I can still get a before my trip. I’m a US citizen by the way
- Pa Auk in Thailand. Pa Auk seems in Thailand seems like it’s more for the locals and accessibility to foreigners seems to be limited. Has anyone been to their monastery in Thailand? Also it seems to be very difficult to get a hold of someone via email. Anyone know if someone can just drop by and visit for a few weeks or if a reservation is required?
- Wat Pah Nanachat. They say on their site that meditation instruction is not provided and it’s simply a place to experience being a monk. I know how to meditate, so that’s not a problem, but I need to be able to talk to a well accomplished meditator occasionally about issues that arise. Another concern I have is ordaining since it sounds like I would need to ordain if I plan on staying longer that a few weeks. I imagine there is a learning curve with the rights and rituals and I would prefer to focus my time primarily on my practice.
Andromeda, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 29.09.18 06:33
Created 5 Jahren ago at 29.09.18 06:33
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 393 Beitrittsdatum: 15.01.18 Neueste BeiträgeThe biggest downside was that most of the retreatants seemed to be young tourists looking for a spiritual experience on their way to or from partying on the beaches and they had difficulty following simple rules like "no talking," but that does make for a good opportunity to observe one's own reactions to such things even if it does make concentration more challenging. Most dropped out within a few days.
I hope you find a suitable place and have a wonderful retreat! Holler at me if you have questions.
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 29.09.18 13:08
Created 5 Jahren ago at 29.09.18 13:08
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeThe biggest downside was that most of the retreatants seemed to be young tourists looking for a spiritual experience on their way to or from partying on the beaches and they had difficulty following simple rules like "no talking," but that does make for a good opportunity to observe one's own reactions to such things even if it does make concentration more challenging. Most dropped out within a few days.
I hope you find a suitable place and have a wonderful retreat! Holler at me if you have questions.
I was considering Wat Suan Mokkh for a while and it sounds like it would be a good fit but I don't know it I can fit it into my schedule. I'll be arriving in Bangkok on November 1 and I imagine it would take a day for me to get to their retreat center. I got the impression that they wouldn't accept me into the retreat if I didn't show up on time to register. I’d be very interested if they would accept me a day or two late, but there seems to be no way of contacting them through their site. Do you think they would be accommodating of that?
Jinxed P, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 29.09.18 15:45
Created 5 Jahren ago at 29.09.18 15:41
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 347 Beitrittsdatum: 29.08.11 Neueste BeiträgeWat Suan Mokh will accept you if you arrive late, but you won't be part of the retreat, instead you will stay in another part of the monastery with the monks, sleeping in one giant room.
If you want serious practice, the Mahasi style places are the best for that - There are many in Chiang Mai - Wat Rampoeng, Doi Suthep, (but you said you wanted to work on your concentration..)
Andromeda, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 29.09.18 15:46
Created 5 Jahren ago at 29.09.18 15:44
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 393 Beitrittsdatum: 15.01.18 Neueste BeiträgeAnyone arriving early for a retreat, wanting to stay longer or arriving during retreats is welcome to stay, initially for up to seven days, at the main Suan Mokkh monastery. If, after seven days, you intend to prolong your stay, you need to get permission by the abbot of Suan Mokkh or his representative. Permission will readily be granted to dedicated meditators and students of Buddhism. Doing a chore (community work like sweeping leaves) while staying is part of the practice. Reservation is neither possible nor necessary. Just show up and find the information desk inside the monastery. Please do not arrive after dark.Accommodation in dorms (for men) or individual rooms (for women) is free; food is available inside the monastery or at the nearby stalls. There is an excellent library with books in many languages as well. Please note that there are neither organised activities nor a certain schedule to be followed, no teachings or instructions been offered while staying at the main Suan Mokkh monastery. This possibility is therefore most suitable for people who have done a retreat at the International Dharma Hermitage already or for experienced meditators who can use the wat's facilities without guidance.
So if you show up on November 1st or later and they won't let you into the retreat (and you never know, they might even though the website says definitely not), they will almost certainly allow you to stay at the monastery and then join the December 1 retreat. You'd have to practice on your own until then, but boy would that allow you to really hit the ground running when the retreat starts and then you could stay on afterward and practice by yourself some more at the monastery since you have 2 months. As long as you are a sincere student who is really there to practice, they will take care of you.
Noah D, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 30.09.18 13:10
Created 5 Jahren ago at 30.09.18 01:14
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 1211 Beitrittsdatum: 01.09.16 Neueste BeiträgeBasically he can get you set up @ any of Buddhadasas Wats to stay as long as you like.
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 30.09.18 16:34
Created 5 Jahren ago at 30.09.18 16:26
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeBasically he can get you set up @ any of Buddhadasas Wats to stay as long as you like.
I'd like that, thanks Noah. I'll PM you.
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 30.09.18 16:57
Created 5 Jahren ago at 30.09.18 16:53
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeAnyone arriving early for a retreat, wanting to stay longer or arriving during retreats is welcome to stay, initially for up to seven days, at the main Suan Mokkh monastery. If, after seven days, you intend to prolong your stay, you need to get permission by the abbot of Suan Mokkh or his representative. Permission will readily be granted to dedicated meditators and students of Buddhism. Doing a chore (community work like sweeping leaves) while staying is part of the practice. Reservation is neither possible nor necessary. Just show up and find the information desk inside the monastery. Please do not arrive after dark.Accommodation in dorms (for men) or individual rooms (for women) is free; food is available inside the monastery or at the nearby stalls. There is an excellent library with books in many languages as well. Please note that there are neither organised activities nor a certain schedule to be followed, no teachings or instructions been offered while staying at the main Suan Mokkh monastery. This possibility is therefore most suitable for people who have done a retreat at the International Dharma Hermitage already or for experienced meditators who can use the wat's facilities without guidance.
So if you show up on November 1st or later and they won't let you into the retreat (and you never know, they might even though the website says definitely not), they will almost certainly allow you to stay at the monastery and then join the December 1 retreat. You'd have to practice on your own until then, but boy would that allow you to really hit the ground running when the retreat starts and then you could stay on afterward and practice by yourself some more at the monastery since you have 2 months. As long as you are a sincere student who is really there to practice, they will take care of you.
Wow thank you Andromeda, this is really helpful for easing my conserns. My biggest fear was that I would be stuck in Thailand and unable to practice because of not having everything planned to the T beforehand. I actually had a similar experience in South America before I found meditation where I was esentially wandering aimlessly with essentially zero plan and no clear vision of life goals. A story for another time. I'm highly motivated and have a clear vision of what I want to work on this trip so I doubt I'll run into a similar situation.
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 30.09.18 17:04
Created 5 Jahren ago at 30.09.18 17:03
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeWat Suan Mokh will accept you if you arrive late, but you won't be part of the retreat, instead you will stay in another part of the monastery with the monks, sleeping in one giant room.
If you want serious practice, the Mahasi style places are the best for that - There are many in Chiang Mai - Wat Rampoeng, Doi Suthep, (but you said you wanted to work on your concentration..)
Yeah, I did a bit more research into smoking in Thailand and found the same. I don't agree with it because I think it's counter to the goal of liberation since it's such an addictive substance, but it's not a deal breaker for me any more. At some point, I'd absolutely love to focus on insight, but for me where I'm currently at in my practice, I think it's important for me to focus on concentration.
Kuru, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 01.10.18 02:42
Created 5 Jahren ago at 01.10.18 02:42
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 62 Beitrittsdatum: 02.11.17 Neueste BeiträgeAndromeda, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 01.10.18 05:59
Created 5 Jahren ago at 01.10.18 05:59
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 393 Beitrittsdatum: 15.01.18 Neueste BeiträgeIf you do decide on Wat Suan Mokkh, Nok Air has cheap flights to Chaiya from the domestic airport in Bangkok (not BKK, the international airport that you will fly into, but you can take a taxi or the subway between them). If it were me, I'd make a point of attending the morning chanting at the monastery (it's glorious) and would probably see if anyone might kindly give me sheets to learn the chants so I could join in. Also, make sure you take advantage of their library--Buddhadhasa Bhikku wrote tons of great stuff. Mindfulness With Breathing is a very nice little handbook on their style of anapanasati and No Religion, the transcript of a sermon he gave in the 60s to lay people, is one of my favorite things ever.
And BTW there was no smoking allowed at the retreat center and I didn't see any at the monastery, though I could have missed it.
Sasha, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 02.10.18 12:39
Created 5 Jahren ago at 02.10.18 12:22
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 4 Beitrittsdatum: 11.09.18 Neueste BeiträgeScott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 02.10.18 16:29
Created 5 Jahren ago at 02.10.18 16:28
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeIf you do decide on Wat Suan Mokkh, Nok Air has cheap flights to Chaiya from the domestic airport in Bangkok (not BKK, the international airport that you will fly into, but you can take a taxi or the subway between them). If it were me, I'd make a point of attending the morning chanting at the monastery (it's glorious) and would probably see if anyone might kindly give me sheets to learn the chants so I could join in. Also, make sure you take advantage of their library--Buddhadhasa Bhikku wrote tons of great stuff. Mindfulness With Breathing is a very nice little handbook on their style of anapanasati and No Religion, the transcript of a sermon he gave in the 60s to lay people, is one of my favorite things ever.
And BTW there was no smoking allowed at the retreat center and I didn't see any at the monastery, though I could have missed it.
Wonderful recommendation with Nok Air btw. You're right, it's super cheap. I wasn't able to see any flights from Chaiya but it looks like they do fly to Surat Thani with is pretty close. Maybe the Chaiya flight has been discontinued? Thank you again Andromeda for the wonderful advice, I'll definitly take a look at those readings. For anyone else reading through this forum, I found Mindfulness with Breathing here http://promienie.net/images/dharma/books/buddhadasa_mindfulness-with-breathing.pdf
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 02.10.18 16:52
Created 5 Jahren ago at 02.10.18 16:52
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeHi Sasha, how condusive would you say the enviroment at Suan Mokkh is for strengthening concentration? I listened to a recording that I believe to be recorded at Suan Mokkh and it sounded like it was pretty noisy and that there's a lot of roosters. Was this an obstical for you in the practice?
Andromeda, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 03.10.18 05:46
Created 5 Jahren ago at 03.10.18 05:46
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 393 Beitrittsdatum: 15.01.18 Neueste BeiträgeDo give us a report on your trip when you return, and safe travels!
Sasha, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 03.10.18 14:37
Created 5 Jahren ago at 03.10.18 13:56
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 4 Beitrittsdatum: 11.09.18 Neueste BeiträgeThe dhamma teachings are the tapes (translations from Buddhadasa's talks by an American monk) and practice instruction from a Chinese or Malaysian man (not a monk) who also teaches the men Tai chi in the morning. The women get yoga. Tan Medhi, a thai monk, leads chanting and metta. Personal guidance is limited, with so many retreatants, and practically non-existent if you stay between retreats. Then you do self practice. You can stay in a 'kuti' (hut) or in the dorm. The women's kutis were basic buy lovely.
I only spent one night at the main monastery. The atmosphere is peaceful but busy, as monks go about their daily life. I did not witness any smoking. I suggest you try to stay at the retreat centre, it is much quieter there so more conducive to serious practice. You can offer to do karma yoga a few hours a day.
Scott, geändert vor 5 Jahren at 05.10.18 23:15
Created 5 Jahren ago at 05.10.18 23:14
RE: Thailand: Monastery/Retreat Recommendations
Beiträge: 9 Beitrittsdatum: 15.12.16 Neueste BeiträgeDo give us a report on your trip when you return, and safe travels!
You bet! I'll get back in mid/late January and post around then. I'm going to visit Metta monastery in southern California on my way back.