So I get kind of pissed of when people start quote the Buddha on Jhana. Whoah whoah whoah, Jhana was supposedly a very difficult thing to attain, requiring virture and even more than that pure intention, a delicate mental state. And when Virtue, pure intentions and other things are ignored by this site then that's kind of what I mean. I mean how can you ignore those things and yet use the Buddha's quote for jhana.

So basically, if you have indeed found an experience so compelling that it must be enlightenment then by all means call it enlightenment. But it might not necessarily be suttical enlightenment, otherwise people just want to be called enlightened and are looking for suttical reasons to call themselves so.

Anyways to elaborate if you remember the forum Lioncity, which was set up to facilitate discussion of Buddhism. The place sucked, I remember back when I was a good person thinking about how much denial they were in. At first thought that due to merit (good karma) of all the Buddhists there it would be enjoyable to be in the forum but the place sucked. As soon you started browsing around this horrible vibe of unwholesomness just came over you, and you looked at the pictures of these people. The place felt like it was frequented by pedophiles. The whole lot was in denial, they thought they were enlightened, virtuous or better but they weren't. It's staggering that they weren't able to detect this. And yet it was so OBVIOUS, yet people stayed. Forget reading about Buddhism, just to read the general website was a pain. Anyways my interpretation was that they accumulated so much demerit due to their evil that the website was inextricably hacked and irretrievably lost.

But it's shocking to me that people stayed, how could they not tell? They were hell-bound (I literallty thought that), I thought those people would be better than normal people, yet they were than normal people. The vibe there was so insufferable that I fail to see how anyone could not tell. Plus all the pretension, of enlightenment and virtue and yet they all were (seemingly) hell-bound. No one willing to admit that they had faults or broke precepts (which are easily broken) or were immoral. Yet so obvious.

Obviously my above interpretation was a literal Buddhist interpretation, but that's kind of what I mean. If you wre a good person on that website you would be able to easily tell that the people were crazy, deluded and hell-bound, and forget reading the posts or content of the website. In order for you to reach that conclusion, when on the website the vibe was so insufferable that you just couldn't stand to be there (maybe). Yet amazingly people stayed and (seemingly) were unable to tell.

That's kind of what I mean, I hope the same thing isn't happening here.

The place felt like it was frequented by pedophiles.