Sincere seekers, ask me (almost) anything about the path

nintheye, modified 1 Year ago.

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I’m a spiritual teacher of a roughly Hindu nondual (advaita vedanta) bent, though I also have great respect for and have learned from Buddhism and other nondual traditions. I view them all as simply different windows into the same Truth. 

I help people along the spiritual journey, the path of penetrating the illusion of being a separate person (i.e. "ego"). This leads to freedom, the end of suffering, and profound peace and truth.

I view enlightenment as Self-realization, which is a paradoxical attainment non-attainment, the sought object that destroys the idea that there ever was a seeker, the aesthetic enjoyment that underlies all things. It reveals the illusoriness of the personal self, shows the categories of the mind to be false, and is completion, perfection, and truth beyond words.

"Beyond words" is the key point here; Truth is fundamentally indescribable.

I specialize in the great sage Ramana Maharshi’s self-inquiry and other teachings but with certain added lessons I’ve learned, primarily around the importance of dealing with psychological obstacles.

My suggestions for seekers, roughly based on my own path, are to quiet the mind and look inward at the I. This breaks down as:

1) get an intellectual big picture framework (in my case, Vedanta — obtained through talking with knowledgeable people and reading scriptures and commentaries),

2) resolve doubts about it by asking questions of teachers,

3) purify the mind. This means to become honest about one’s desires and listen to one’s negative emotions. This quiets the mind and concentrates it. Psychoanalysis/psychoanalytic psychotherapy (these are specific types of therapy, not just any therapy) and journaling/artistic expression of emotions can be very helpful.

4) engage in 
-Ramana Maharshi's self-inquiry and/or 
-surrender (this means simply ignoring all thought -- except the thought of ignoring all thought) 
Do either of these at every waking moment (not just in sitting meditation). 

Of course, this is not a linear process.

I publish articles, guides, audio/video, books, maintain a mailing list, and offer personal guidance for seekers at my website, Sifting to the Truth and Youtube channel.

Ask me anything about the spiritual path with a few exceptions:

-I'm not interested in proving my qualifications (you'll have to judge that from my answers)

-I won't talk about "what it's like to be enlightened" (the answers are always misleading)

-I'm not interested in giving an autobiographical description of my path, realizations, etc. 

Other than that, fire away.
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Is this a commercial venture?
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Chris Marti:
Is this a commercial venture?
I teach students on a donation basis, and I sell inexpensive books.
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I assume no one teaches or writes this stuff? And no one accepts donations?

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Chris Marti:
I assume no one teaches or writes this stuff? And no one accepts donations?

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Nope, if there's stuff taught or written, then there's someone who's teaching or writing. If there are donations, then someone accepts them. But are any of these the case? And if so, who says so? That might be an interesting question to ponder.
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Yeah, let me know how that goes, will ya?
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Chris Marti:
Yeah, let me know how that goes, will ya?
I'm probably going to forget, to be honest.
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nintheye:
Chris Marti:
I assume no one teaches or writes this stuff? And no one accepts donations?

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Nope, if there's stuff taught or written, then there's someone who's teaching or writing. If there are donations, then someone accepts them. But are any of these the case? And if so, who says so? That might be an interesting question to ponder.
I'm a bit lost. If there are no people, nothing taught or written.. and whatever else parts of the illusion are completely and utterly not-real... how are you interacting with these nobodies in this visible no-writing, and spreading your no-teaching?

I'm legitimately confused as to how that works. Clearly something is happening here in the void of forms. 
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Clearly something is happening here in the void of forms. 

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
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nintheye:
Chris Marti:
I assume no one teaches or writes this stuff? And no one accepts donations?

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Nope, if there's stuff taught or written, then there's someone who's teaching or writing. If there are donations, then someone accepts them. But are any of these the case? And if so, who says so? That might be an interesting question to ponder.
I'm a bit lost. If there are no people, nothing taught or written.. and whatever else parts of the illusion are completely and utterly not-real... how are you interacting with these nobodies in this visible no-writing, and spreading your no-teaching?

I'm legitimately confused as to how that works. Clearly something is happening here in the void of forms. 
What I'm saying here is not that important for seekers, and it's not something that one can understand with the mind. Chris brought it up because it was something we had discussed on some other thread. 

There are many ways of describing truth, and all of them are problematic in different ways.

For seekers, the simpler point of view is just this: that appearances are not what they appear to be. They appear to be separate, bounded objects but are in fact nothing other than the Self.
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Bullshit. Business as usual bullshit.
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Are you willing to teach my brother?  He died a few years ago, but that shouldn't be an obstacle, right? emoticon
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Are you willing to teach my brother?  He died a few years ago, but that shouldn't be an obstacle, right? emoticon
Not at all. Teaching him right now, as it turns out. 
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curious:
Are you willing to teach my brother?  He died a few years ago, but that shouldn't be an obstacle, right? emoticon
Not at all. Teaching him right now, as it turns out. 

Ha ha!  Very good.  I'm not sure everyone will get that point though.  emoticon
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curious:
nintheye:
curious:
Are you willing to teach my brother?  He died a few years ago, but that shouldn't be an obstacle, right? emoticon
Not at all. Teaching him right now, as it turns out. 

Ha ha!  Very good.  I'm not sure everyone will get that point though.  emoticon
He that hath ears to hear...emoticon
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Hi 9th,

I have so many questions that I have always wanted to ask! I'm sure many of them are relevant to people here who have spent too much time meditating and let their careers slide.

What are the economics of being a spiritual teacher like?

How do you distinguish between students who might have money, students who have no money but might be able to offer fringe benefits, and students who are worthless?

Do you have any regrets about setting yourself up as a spiritual teacher? Anything you would have done differently? Any advice for newbies who might be considering it?

Do you have a plan B in case it doesn't work out, or do you really have to go all-in to convince people?

Ramana Maharshi seems like he was a gifted spiritual entrepreneur, eventually convincing large numbers of people to sit at his feet and attend to his every need while he stared off into space for most of the day. But he had to take large risks to build his brand, years living in darkness with no food and being eaten by insects. For every Ramana Maharshi there must be 999,999 who died or had to go back home and live with their parents. Did you ever consider the high-risk/big-payoff model? If you focus on building cashflow early, does it necessarily constrain the size of your eventual pay-off?

Sorry for so many questions but I've never had this opportunity before to ask a spiritual teacher who is actually open to answering questions about the path.

Thanks
agnostic
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agnostic:
Hi 9th,

I have so many questions that I have always wanted to ask! I'm sure many of them are relevant to people here who have spent too much time meditating and let their careers slide.

What are the economics of being a spiritual teacher like?

How do you distinguish between students who might have money, students who have no money but might be able to offer fringe benefits, and students who are worthless?

Do you have any regrets about setting yourself up as a spiritual teacher? Anything you would have done differently? Any advice for newbies who might be considering it?

Do you have a plan B in case it doesn't work out, or do you really have to go all-in to convince people?

Ramana Maharshi seems like he was a gifted spiritual entrepreneur, eventually convincing large numbers of people to sit at his feet and attend to his every need while he stared off into space for most of the day. But he had to take large risks to build his brand, years living in darkness with no food and being eaten by insects. For every Ramana Maharshi there must be 999,999 who died or had to go back home and live with their parents. Did you ever consider the high-risk/big-payoff model? If you focus on building cashflow early, does it necessarily constrain the size of your eventual pay-off?

Sorry for so many questions but I've never had this opportunity before to ask a spiritual teacher who is actually open to answering questions about the path.

Thanks
agnostic
Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.
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nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
nintheye, modified 1 Year ago.

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agnostic:
nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
The specifics will have to be found out in your course of therapy. Often jealousy is a defensive reaction that hides some other painful emotion... often from childhood.

As far as what a qualified spiritual teacher is, the traditional Vedantic definition is a shrotriya brahmanistha  -- that is, one who knows the scriptures and who knows the Self. Of course, how is a seeker to know who that is? Scriptural knowledge is a little easier to assess, but not Self-knowledge. The best hint is to find a teacher in whose presence you feel peace.
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I feel quite peaceful chatting to you here and you seem to know what you're talking about, so I'm going to assume for the time being that you are a qualified spiritual teacher.

How were you able to identify my "overwhelming issues with the issa fetter"?
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nintheye:
agnostic:
nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
The specifics will have to be found out in your course of therapy. Often jealousy is a defensive reaction that hides some other painful emotion... often from childhood.

As far as what a qualified spiritual teacher is, the traditional Vedantic definition is a shrotriya brahmanistha  -- that is, one who knows the scriptures and who knows the Self. Of course, how is a seeker to know who that is? Scriptural knowledge is a little easier to assess, but not Self-knowledge. The best hint is to find a teacher in whose presence you feel peace.

Hi 9th,

I think you might be right ... I had a dream last night where everyone was looking up to me. I realize that I am jealous of spiritual teachers!

Do you recommend that I try being a spiritual teacher to see if it’s what I really want?

Or should I talk it out with a qualified spiritual teacher first? How could I be sure they weren’t just trying to steer me away from it to keep the numbers down?

I think having the answer to these questions could be helpful for others on here as well.

Thanks
agnostic

PS I'd prefer to avoid psychoanalysis if possible because I already wasted 15 years and tens of thousands of dollars on therapists and they all failed to identify my jealousy issues.
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agnostic:
nintheye:
agnostic:
nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
The specifics will have to be found out in your course of therapy. Often jealousy is a defensive reaction that hides some other painful emotion... often from childhood.

As far as what a qualified spiritual teacher is, the traditional Vedantic definition is a shrotriya brahmanistha  -- that is, one who knows the scriptures and who knows the Self. Of course, how is a seeker to know who that is? Scriptural knowledge is a little easier to assess, but not Self-knowledge. The best hint is to find a teacher in whose presence you feel peace.

Hi 9th,

I think you might be right ... I had a dream last night where everyone was looking up to me. I realize that I am jealous of spiritual teachers!

Do you recommend that I try being a spiritual teacher to see if it’s what I really want?

Or should I talk it out with a qualified spiritual teacher first? How could I be sure they weren’t just trying to steer me away from it to keep the numbers down?

I think having the answer to these questions could be helpful for others on here as well.

Thanks
agnostic

PS I'd prefer to avoid psychoanalysis if possible because I already wasted 15 years and tens of thousands of dollars on therapists and they all failed to identify my jealousy issues.

This is a very good time for everyone to keep their senses of humor. Except me. I am dead fucking serious, worse, i am kill fucking serious. I want to kill this scam, I want this little shop of horrors shut down.
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Tim Farrington:

This is a very good time for everyone to keep their senses of humor. Except me. I am dead fucking serious, worse, i am kill fucking serious. I want to kill this scam, I want this little shop of horrors shut down.

Dude, I'm serious too. I really am tempted by this spiritual teacher gig. I think that 9th with his wealth of experience and qualifications could help avert a suboptimal outcome for everyone here ...
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agnostic:
Tim Farrington:

This is a very good time for everyone to keep their senses of humor. Except me. I am dead fucking serious, worse, i am kill fucking serious. I want to kill this scam, I want this little shop of horrors shut down.

Dude, I'm serious too. I really am tempted by this spiritual teacher gig. I think that 9th with his wealth of experience and qualifications could help avert a suboptimal outcome for everyone here ...
Dude, the only outcome this thing is going to have is this shit shut down.
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agnostic:
nintheye:
agnostic:
nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
The specifics will have to be found out in your course of therapy. Often jealousy is a defensive reaction that hides some other painful emotion... often from childhood.

As far as what a qualified spiritual teacher is, the traditional Vedantic definition is a shrotriya brahmanistha  -- that is, one who knows the scriptures and who knows the Self. Of course, how is a seeker to know who that is? Scriptural knowledge is a little easier to assess, but not Self-knowledge. The best hint is to find a teacher in whose presence you feel peace.

Hi 9th,

I think you might be right ... I had a dream last night where everyone was looking up to me. I realize that I am jealous of spiritual teachers!

Do you recommend that I try being a spiritual teacher to see if it’s what I really want?

Or should I talk it out with a qualified spiritual teacher first? How could I be sure they weren’t just trying to steer me away from it to keep the numbers down?

I think having the answer to these questions could be helpful for others on here as well.

Thanks
agnostic

PS I'd prefer to avoid psychoanalysis if possible because I already wasted 15 years and tens of thousands of dollars on therapists and they all failed to identify my jealousy issues.
I'm honestly sorry you're in such profound pain. And I can certainly sympathize with therapists who don't do a good job, and that you've spent a lot of time and effort already. But not all therapists are the same, and not all therapeutic schools are the same. My guess is that you haven't been in proper psychoanalysis. That would be my recommendation for you. Google a psychoanalytic institute near you and ask for a referral. Profound childhood problems can take a lifetime to fix. There really isn't any substitute for dealing with them.

I could tell you to ignore your thoughts; that would be the easy, instant path to peace, but it's unlikely that you would be able to do it without hugely more mental calmness. That's what enables one to concentrate on the spiritual path. Seeing spiritual teachers you respect in person, reading spiritual scriptures, and prayer can all be helpful too. Good luck.
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nintheye:
agnostic:
nintheye:
agnostic:
nintheye:

Thanks for your questions about your overwhelming issues with the "issa" fetter from the Abhidharma Sutta. It must be very painful, and I appreciate the courage it takes to ask for help. 

I'd recommend a combination of psychoanalysis and consultation with a qualified spiritual teacher (could be me or someone else). This latter might not be very useful until the fetter is weakened somewhat, however. There's a hard road ahead, but with determination, I am confident you can make it.

I googled it and found that issa is jealousy. What do you think I'm jealous of?

EDIT: oh, and what is a qualified spiritual teacher?
The specifics will have to be found out in your course of therapy. Often jealousy is a defensive reaction that hides some other painful emotion... often from childhood.

As far as what a qualified spiritual teacher is, the traditional Vedantic definition is a shrotriya brahmanistha  -- that is, one who knows the scriptures and who knows the Self. Of course, how is a seeker to know who that is? Scriptural knowledge is a little easier to assess, but not Self-knowledge. The best hint is to find a teacher in whose presence you feel peace.

Hi 9th,

I think you might be right ... I had a dream last night where everyone was looking up to me. I realize that I am jealous of spiritual teachers!

Do you recommend that I try being a spiritual teacher to see if it’s what I really want?

Or should I talk it out with a qualified spiritual teacher first? How could I be sure they weren’t just trying to steer me away from it to keep the numbers down?

I think having the answer to these questions could be helpful for others on here as well.

Thanks
agnostic

PS I'd prefer to avoid psychoanalysis if possible because I already wasted 15 years and tens of thousands of dollars on therapists and they all failed to identify my jealousy issues.
I'm honestly sorry you're in such profound pain. And I can certainly sympathize with therapists who don't do a good job, and that you've spent a lot of time and effort already. But not all therapists are the same, and not all therapeutic schools are the same. My guess is that you haven't been in proper psychoanalysis. That would be my recommendation for you. Google a psychoanalytic institute near you and ask for a referral. Profound childhood problems can take a lifetime to fix. There really isn't any substitute for dealing with them.

I could tell you to ignore your thoughts; that would be the easy, instant path to peace, but it's unlikely that you would be able to do it without hugely more mental calmness. That's what enables one to concentrate on the spiritual path. Seeing spiritual teachers you respect in person, reading spiritual scriptures, and prayer can all be helpful too. Good luck.


Again, every person who can keep their sense of humor here is all to the good. But this shit ain't funny. If we swallow this shit now for free, we can swallow more later for a donation. We need to simply clean this shit up,
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nintheye:

I'm honestly sorry you're in such profound pain. And I can certainly sympathize with therapists who don't do a good job, and that you've spent a lot of time and effort already. But not all therapists are the same, and not all therapeutic schools are the same. My guess is that you haven't been in proper psychoanalysis. That would be my recommendation for you. Google a psychoanalytic institute near you and ask for a referral. Profound childhood problems can take a lifetime to fix. There really isn't any substitute for dealing with them.

I could tell you to ignore your thoughts; that would be the easy, instant path to peace, but it's unlikely that you would be able to do it without hugely more mental calmness. That's what enables one to concentrate on the spiritual path. Seeing spiritual teachers you respect in person, reading spiritual scriptures, and prayer can all be helpful too. Good luck.

I don't know teacher, proper psychoanalysis sounds like it might take a while. I’m already 46 and I’m busy fucking up my own kids and besides, I’m in a hurry to get enlightened like you.

I think it might be better to hit the road first and build my brand before setting up shop. I was thinking of going to India and begging for alms and meditating in public places for a bit to earn my chops.

Would you be able to look after my money while I’m gone?

Also, I’m worried about my wife and kids. Do you have some kind of communal living situation where you could keep an eye on them?

Sorry, I know it’s a lot to ask, but your pitch really resonated with me and now I’m desperate to get enlightened.

Thanks again
agnostic
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agnostic:
nintheye:

I'm honestly sorry you're in such profound pain. And I can certainly sympathize with therapists who don't do a good job, and that you've spent a lot of time and effort already. But not all therapists are the same, and not all therapeutic schools are the same. My guess is that you haven't been in proper psychoanalysis. That would be my recommendation for you. Google a psychoanalytic institute near you and ask for a referral. Profound childhood problems can take a lifetime to fix. There really isn't any substitute for dealing with them.

I could tell you to ignore your thoughts; that would be the easy, instant path to peace, but it's unlikely that you would be able to do it without hugely more mental calmness. That's what enables one to concentrate on the spiritual path. Seeing spiritual teachers you respect in person, reading spiritual scriptures, and prayer can all be helpful too. Good luck.

I don't know teacher, proper psychoanalysis sounds like it might take a while. I’m already 46 and I’m busy fucking up my own kids and besides, I’m in a hurry to get enlightened like you.

I think it might be better to hit the road first and build my brand before setting up shop. I was thinking of going to India and begging for alms and meditating in public places for a bit to earn my chops.

Would you be able to look after my money while I’m gone?

Also, I’m worried about my wife and kids. Do you have some kind of communal living situation where you could keep an eye on them?

Sorry, I know it’s a lot to ask, but your pitch really resonated with me and now I’m desperate to get enlightened.

Thanks again
agnostic

The issue here is, do we really want to negotiate with a drug pusher about how much space he is allowed on the playground?
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I'm locking this thread. It's inappropriate at this point, and for several reasons. I've also banned a poster for violating the posting rules of DhO. Posters can't call other posters names to accuse them of doing illegal things just because we don't agree with them, or if we don't like them, or what they're saying.

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Hi Chris,

I'm at a little loss here, as to what is happening and on what basis decisions are made.


Malcolm called Nicky Anti-Semetic -- is that name calling? Whether he was right or wrong is a different matter -- I'd offer no opinion there. Fact remains he called him that. Out in the open -- instead of just reporting it to you -- that led to a big thread. Is that name calling? But to quote your words, I would say he fell under the category of "we don't agree with them, or if we don't like them, or what they're saying." 


Here's a definition of name-calling:

"abusive language or insults"

CalIing someone anti-semetic is an insult. Whether righ tor wrong is a different matter. So, what Malcolm did was name-calling, when seen this way. And I repeat -- out in the open, on this forum -- instead of just reporting it to you. What action has been taken on that front with Malcolm? 

This input/question of mine is to try to understand, how just this forum is and the politics of this forum.
I'd appreciate a precise response.

Mike.

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No, he didn't. He called the propaganda Nicky was linking to anti-semitic. 
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Malcolm said to Nicky: "You are clearly pushing an anti-semitic agenda under the guide of buddhist dharma, and then being dishonest when challenged."

This is an insult. OK, it's calling someone pushing an anti-semitic agenda -- as close as it gets to calling someone anti-semitic. If you want to get technical about it, saying: "You are clearly pushing an anti-semitic agenda under the guide of buddhist dhamma" is an insult. Then calling someone dishonest -- that's another insult.

**Stated out in the open -- because Malcolm didn't like what Nicky said.

Linda -- I don't want to argue further with you on this. I don't see much point to it. You have your view and I have mine at this point.  I appreciate your input. At this point, I'd wait for Chris's or another moderators response -- if they're amenable to providing one. Chris/another moderator -- I'd still appreciate a response -- though I see it's late at night EST. (Linda -- of course -- and this goes without saying -- feel free to keep responding -- if it suits you).

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Mike Smirnoff:

Malcolm said to Nicky: "You are clearly pushing an anti-semitic agenda under the guide of buddhist dharma, and then being dishonest when challenged."

This is an insult. OK, it's calling someone pushing an anti-semitic agenda -- as close as it gets to calling someone anti-semitic. If you want to get technical about it, saying: "You are clearly pushing an anti-semitic agenda under the guide of buddhist dhamma" is an insult. Then calling someone dishonest -- that's another insult.

**Stated out in the open -- because Malcolm didn't like what Nicky said.

Linda -- I don't want to argue further with you on this. I don't see much point to it. You have your view and I have mine at this point.  I appreciate your input. At this point, I'd wait for Chris's or another moderators response -- if they're amenable to providing one. Chris/another moderator -- I'd still appreciate a response -- though I see it's late at night EST. (Linda -- of course -- and this goes without saying -- feel free to keep responding -- if it suits you).



Hi Mike, I realise that this wasn't directed at me, and it may be uncomfortable to receive a reply from me, but I will try to add skilfully to the conversation.

Yes I definitely said what you quoted and further stated that it was the behaviour of a scoundrel.  I attempted to phrase this in terms of behaviour rather than the person, as I think all behaviour can be changed.  So I did try quite hard to judge the behaviour, not the person. Not saying I succeeded, but that was my intent, as might be gathered from some of the other things I wrote in the relevant thread.  Including the request that the person involved either stop this behaviour, or alternatively be banned, with my preference for the first course of action.

The reasons I did so are summed up by the Paradox of Intolerance, which states that "if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant."  In other words, tolerance must have limits, otherwise it is weaponsed to destroy civil society. That is the process I perceived, and why I acted as I did.

However, I am quite willing to bear the consequences of my actions. If I were to be banned for this, I would still see it as time very well spent, and I would do the same thing again. Or equally, if you would like for me leave the Dharma overground and not return, then say so clearly and that is what I will do.  I would suggest you first examine your own reasons for being uncomfortable with my behaviour, but that would be up to you.

So need to appeal to the moderators.  If you ask me to leave, I will do so. 

Cheers

Malcolm 
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Hi Malcolm,

Thanks for responding. I've not read your response carefully -- I will -- but let me say this based on a cursory reading of what you wrote:

I DON'T want anyone to be banned -- be it you or Nicky or Tim or anyone. Of course, if some one gets banned, then I can't do anything about it -- that's up to the moderators. All I'm pointing out is how non-black-and-white things are.


So -- let me make it clear -- I don't want you to leave -- nor do I want you to be banned. It's all part of a big conversation which will hopefully get us somewhere better. Quite frankly, I've said on this post, that you have insulted Nicky -- which means, I have insulted you, which means, I should be possibly banned too by that logic! 

All part of a conversation -- which will hopefully get us all somewhere better.

PS. I did report one of your posts to the moderator(s) -- though the intention is not banning -- intention is to have a conversation -- get to the truth.

Mike.
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Mike Smirnoff:


PS. I did report one of your posts to the moderator(s) -- though the intention is not banning -- intention is to have a conversation -- get to the truth.

Mike.

Good!  You should do what you think is right.

M.
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Hi Malcolm,

I got a chance to look at your post a little more. Thanks again for writing.

I have no doubt that your intentions are good. You seem to be an Elder of this forum -- so is my guess -- I've not been here long enough.

What I've learned is -- and this likely goes in not the same direction as what the Buddha taught -- which is just good intentions is not enough. With the best of intentions, we might screw up horribly -- or there might be some horrible hidden intentions sitting beneath the surface. This is where I think politics comes in. We Buddhists, I have seen are weak at politics -- many of us desist it -- and if that happens, subconsciously, we embibe the same political systems where we either live (let's say US) or what we read (let's say, the politics of the Pali Canon).

It's upto the Elders here to decide whether it's a good idea to call separately out from a thread, tell they are doing this and this -- in front of everyone -- and this is being done by an Elder -- and the other person seems defenseless or at least, no one seems to be coming to their defense. It's upto the Elders here to decide what kind of socio-political system they want here on this forum. I really don't know. I am new. I don't know any of the history of this place. I was just saying some things based on what I  saw. 


I absolutely agree with:

"if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant."

Question arises: whether one should be tolerant with how you dealt with the situation? Imagine everyone starts pulling out what other person says and start pointing fingers at them, out in the open. I really don't know. I'm not the one to answer that because I'm too new here -- and I don't know the history of this forum -- and further, I'm not a moderator. I'm happy to give some input, that's about all I can do. (I know I'm being repetitive here!) And maybe I'm the one absolutely wrong here -- maybe the way you behaved is exactly what should have happened -- I don't know. So I leave it to the moderators.

But this I'll say without doubt: we Buddhists need to be better about our politics. And this is a special kind of place. Here, people who are in all kinds of darkness come. I came here when no one else understood me and here, people could understand at least a bit of what I was going through. It is a special place. And it needs a certain kind of politics. 

 
Mike.
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Definitely not an elder Mike. Just another overgrown fool.  Although (maybe) as Albert Collins says "a good fool is hard to find."
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emoticon Haha! Thanks for making me laugh!
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Hi Malcom,

From my perspective, you made an easy play for the moral high ground. And why wouldn't you, since Nicky seemed willing to go down in flames and you would come up smelling of roses.

I resist anti-Semitism where I see it (as well as any other ism or anti-ism), but personally I prefer to counter facts with facts rather than calls to higher moral authority. I thought Nicky's choice of facts was selective and there's more than enough facts to counter with on the other side. Some of his points were more valid I thought and could have been interesting to discuss further, although probably not the time or the place.

I'm aware of the Paradox of Intolerance, but context is important and we are on a dharma forum here, no one is trying to organize a rally.

Cheers
agnostic
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CalIing someone anti-semetic is an insult. Whether righ tor wrong is a different matter. So, what Malcolm did was name-calling, when seen this way. And I repeat -- out in the open, on this forum -- instead of just reporting it to you. What action has been taken on that front with Malcolm? 

Hello, Mike. These are my judgment calls. Someone has to make them. I do promise that I do my best to be fair, and to take the time to read through all the material people report. Everyone won't agree with me when I take action, but that's how this works. You can read all about the community rules and the role of moderators on the DhO home page. I've linked everyone to that page multiple times this week. It's seldom seen so much traffic:

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/home

Thank you for the question,

- Chris


And now I'm really locking the thread - I messed up and forgot to come back and do that yesterday.
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Chris -- I'm unable to send a Personal Message. I don't know why. When I try to find by Chris, a lot of Chris's show up but not Chris Marti.

Anyway -- I have flagged two posts.
I don't know how this works -- how decisions are taken -- but I *don't* want anyone banned as I said in a previous message on this thread just because I flagged someone. Have a conversation, that's about it is all I'm looking for.
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Sometimes when you need to find an adressee, it is easier if you print the names together. Try "Chrism" and see if the name shows up. If that doesn't work, try "Marti". I have learned to work around the glitches. 
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Thanks! Found him & wrote to him.

Mike.
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I'm glad it worked. I'm all for communication. 

Sorry for being off topic. 
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Hi 9th,

I'm sorry for what I did on your thread today. It was immature of me and I got carried away.

I get angry when I think I see people trying to sell enlightenment, which in my opinion is free because it doesn't exist, but it seems like you are a decent person who wants to help people.

Sorry again,
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agnostic:
Hi 9th,

I'm sorry for what I did on your thread today. It was immature of me and I got carried away.

I get angry when I think I see people trying to sell enlightenment, which in my opinion is free because it doesn't exist, but it seems like you are a decent person who wants to help people.

Sorry again,
agnostic
Thanks for saying that. I appreciate it.
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What is your opinion of the God particle, also known as 5-meo-dmt?
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Sleeping Buddha Syndrome:
What is your opinion of the God particle, also known as 5-meo-dmt?
I think it's a cool cosmic experience, and, like any psychedelic, can have limited helpful effects for certain minds, in terms of opening them up and allowing them to break out of certain fixed perspectives.

But it is neither necessary nor sufficient for spiritual awakening.
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I visualize inhaling 5-meo-dmt on a daily basis. It is helpful in centering for me. When I don't, I feel more depressed.

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