Which jhana or what it is, where am I ? - Discussion
I find 2nd Jhana to be hot in the body and head and there is very good sensate clarity to it all and noting can be very fast and effortless. This heat can get a bit over the head so to speak so dropping into 3rd Jhana with its chillness and cool over all body skin sensations and very relaxing on the outbtreath is a very fine place to be. 2nd Jhana in the visuals is very sharp in the center but diffused in the periffery and can give a tunnel like feel at times. 3rd is very interesting for me in the visuals with all going murky and the round dark grey cloud developing in the center and then the center of it vanishing and reappearing etc ... and there can be a gery-purplish haze moving around like a smoke or melting lava but hazey looking.
1st Jhana is something I pass through very fast and usually has something to do with pleasant vibrations and warmth in my palms. In visuals its more of a "solid focus" and has calm to it and body just gets solid still and then the image can jerk a few times and even get some pixelated appearance all over or usually in the perifery.
4th Jhana comes after the murk and the image space flattens out into a light colored grey, like smoke of the cigarette but not having appearance of the smoke its just that kind of color. Instead its all just there in one whole image, center-perifery-all panoramic. The eye focus (I do open eyes sits) is VERY diffused and trying to focus sharp will cause eye ball pain as if its straining, so best is to just let go into that diffused focus. All this can get boring to watch at some stage but that too is being part of it This so ... all good. Most of the feeling tone in EQ for me is Neutral to slight unpleasantish or slight pleasantish.
Im yet to map the ear frequency in each Jhana as well as lenght of the in and out breath as I have noticed changes there but was never interested to really investigate all these details. I do know in breath is short and unpleasantish and outbreath very long and pleasant in 3rd Jhana (Dissolution Nana).
Awakening is one thing and Mastering the Paths/States/Stages is another I guess
1st Jhana is something I pass through very fast and usually has something to do with pleasant vibrations and warmth in my palms. In visuals its more of a "solid focus" and has calm to it and body just gets solid still and then the image can jerk a few times and even get some pixelated appearance all over or usually in the perifery.
4th Jhana comes after the murk and the image space flattens out into a light colored grey, like smoke of the cigarette but not having appearance of the smoke its just that kind of color. Instead its all just there in one whole image, center-perifery-all panoramic. The eye focus (I do open eyes sits) is VERY diffused and trying to focus sharp will cause eye ball pain as if its straining, so best is to just let go into that diffused focus. All this can get boring to watch at some stage but that too is being part of it This so ... all good. Most of the feeling tone in EQ for me is Neutral to slight unpleasantish or slight pleasantish.
Im yet to map the ear frequency in each Jhana as well as lenght of the in and out breath as I have noticed changes there but was never interested to really investigate all these details. I do know in breath is short and unpleasantish and outbreath very long and pleasant in 3rd Jhana (Dissolution Nana).
Awakening is one thing and Mastering the Paths/States/Stages is another I guess
Well, as I see it, piti is jhana factor and comes in various strengths, depending. So you can definitely have piti without jhana, including quite intense piti, up to Grade V. But there is nothing to stop piti being very strong within jhana. Nothing in the suttas. Nothing in Right Concentration. Don't know about Pau Auk Sayadaw's stuff - haven't studied that.
So does first Jhana also required passadhi (tranquility)? I don't believe so, and have not seen this in canonical sources. It is not a jhana factor. Of course, there is no reason that first jhana could not come with passadhi, depending on the practices being done, but I don't think it essential - and nor do the suttas.
So in my view, first jhana doesn't have to be mild. Unification of concentration on an object, mainteance of a flow state, piti widespread and predominant, overtones of sukkha - these cover a wide range of flavours.
But hey your mileage may vary! Personally, I find massive variation within each rupa jhana, although all those variations remain consistent with the sutta descriptions.
So again, respectfully, passadhi is not a first jhana factor.
So does first Jhana also required passadhi (tranquility)? I don't believe so, and have not seen this in canonical sources. It is not a jhana factor. Of course, there is no reason that first jhana could not come with passadhi, depending on the practices being done, but I don't think it essential - and nor do the suttas.
So in my view, first jhana doesn't have to be mild. Unification of concentration on an object, mainteance of a flow state, piti widespread and predominant, overtones of sukkha - these cover a wide range of flavours.
But hey your mileage may vary! Personally, I find massive variation within each rupa jhana, although all those variations remain consistent with the sutta descriptions.
So again, respectfully, passadhi is not a first jhana factor.