RE: No more respawns - Discussion
Siavash:
How much credence are you willing to give a 2,500-year-old oral tradition?
Ni Nurta:
Siavash:
How much credence are you willing to give a 2,500-year-old oral tradition?
I love this
Poor buddha!
Siavash:
Ni Nurta:
Siavash:
How much credence are you willing to give a 2,500-year-old oral tradition?
I love this
Poor buddha!
THE SKY IS CRYING
(Elmore James)
The sky is crying, look at the tears roll down the street
The sky is crying, look at the tears roll down the street
I'm waiting in tears looking for my baby, and I wonder where can she be?
I saw my baby one morning, and she was walking on down the street
I saw my baby one morning, yes she was walking on down the street
Made me feel so good until my poor heart would skip a beat
I got a bad feeling, my baby, my baby don't love me no more
I got a bad feeling, my baby don't love me no more
Now the sky's been crying, the tears rolling down my door
To me rarely it feels that the sky is crying, often it feels like the sky and earth are celebrating together. Thunder storm, sky is having an adventure .
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Siavash:
To me rarely it feels that the sky is crying, often it feels like the sky and earth are celebrating together. Thunder storm, sky is having an adventure .
.āStars, I have seen them fall,
But when they drop and die
No star is lost at all
From all the star-sown sky.
The toil of all that be
Helps not the primal fault;
It rains into the sea
And still the sea is salt.ā
ā A.E. Housman, A Shropshire Lad
Chris Marti:
Can we open the discussion towards reaching a definition agreed on by everyone?
That's likely to be a fruitful conversation.
I'll go first: I posit that what Buddhism means by "suffering" is better described as those things the mind does that cause us to 1) attach to objects or 2) fear or be dissatisfied by objects. It's the process of identifying with "things" we perceive around us as part of the subject/object illusion we live in. It is this illusion/delusion that causes us to "suffer."
This process or condition is often called "ignorance."
Yeps!
We can go home now. Waiter, can I have the bill please Ā
I think this would be a more interesting and worthwhile discussion for you to share your definition of suffering with us, Angel. We can all quote from the writings of others, but putting our own interpretations out here for others to see and discuss is much better, IMHO.
Chris Marti:
I think this would be a more interesting and worthwhile discussion for you to share your definition of suffering with us, Angel. We can all quote from the writings of others, but putting our own interpretations out here for others to see and discuss is much better, IMHO.
Angel,
You have to understand something - I'm old. I forget way more than I recall. Now that you've reminded me, I do remember our exchange. So forgive me, please.
In my experience, DhO isĀ different than most message boards in terms of conversational continuity. These discussions aren't as consistent as they are in many places, and folks here tend more toward ready, fire, aim, and then don't come back for a few days, weeks, or maybe even months. I've gotten used to it and obviously manage to contribute to the discontinuous stuff myself - as you now know.
And speaking of Tim, he's the most guilty of all of us!Ā
(That's probably like saying "Beetlejuice" three times, so... Hi, Tim.)
You have to understand something - I'm old. I forget way more than I recall. Now that you've reminded me, I do remember our exchange. So forgive me, please.
In my experience, DhO isĀ different than most message boards in terms of conversational continuity. These discussions aren't as consistent as they are in many places, and folks here tend more toward ready, fire, aim, and then don't come back for a few days, weeks, or maybe even months. I've gotten used to it and obviously manage to contribute to the discontinuous stuff myself - as you now know.
And speaking of Tim, he's the most guilty of all of us!Ā
(That's probably like saying "Beetlejuice" three times, so... Hi, Tim.)
Angel Roberto Puente:
Oh,
I fell into a time warp! That the conversation keeps coming up shows
that the roots of the problem have never been properly addressed. I
know that people protect their fiefdom. That's why big organizations
religious or otherwise hold such tight reins. The Catholic church is
a good example but Buddhist organizations also operate like this. I
understand your point,Ā Linda. I suppose that change will have to come
when people get tired of not getting the results they are offered.
Whoever comes up with the most efficient system will prevail. That race
has already left the starting gate.
I fell into a time warp! That the conversation keeps coming up shows
that the roots of the problem have never been properly addressed. I
know that people protect their fiefdom. That's why big organizations
religious or otherwise hold such tight reins. The Catholic church is
a good example but Buddhist organizations also operate like this. I
understand your point,Ā Linda. I suppose that change will have to come
when people get tired of not getting the results they are offered.
Whoever comes up with the most efficient system will prevail. That race
has already left the starting gate.
"Sects, sects, sects... that's all you buddhists ever think about."
Chris Marti:
I just think that it would be better if there was a common understanding.Ā Ā
This is a fascinating issue, and message boards like this one can be the worst places to go to get there. This has driven some of us to leave message boards in the past because those in charge wouldn't take a stand against rather obvious nonsense on the part of certain participants In some cases, by those they themselves put in positions of authority as moderators. This was one of those message boards once upon a time. There is a cautiousness, a shyness about having to enforce rules, that Buddhists running message boards have that can be quite concerning.
Thank you, fellows!Ā Don't worry about age Chris, I'm no whippersnapper. I'm at that unholy age of 69.Ā Papa Che, it's not "intelectual capacity" that makes the difference, it's having so much time on my hands. I usually think over my answers and do research, to at least prevent making a total ass of myself, which is not always possible.Ā 
Ā Ā When I come back I find that I've been overrun by all you quick studies, like now.Ā Ā By the time I wrote my reply there were bunches of comments.Ā Let me get to it. See you in a while.
Ā Ā When I come back I find that I've been overrun by all you quick studies, like now.Ā Ā By the time I wrote my reply there were bunches of comments.Ā Let me get to it. See you in a while.
Angel Roberto Puente:
Thank you, fellows!Ā Don't worry about age Chris, I'm no whippersnapper. I'm at that unholy age of 69.Ā Papa Che, it's not "intelectual capacity" that makes the difference, it's having so much time on my hands. I usually think over my answers and do research, to at least prevent making a total ass of myself, which is not always possible.Ā Ā Ā When I come back I find that I've been overrun by all you quick studies, like now.Ā Ā By the time I wrote my reply there were bunches of comments.Ā Let me get to it. See you in a while.
Ā Ā When I come back I find that I've been overrun by all you quick studies, like now.Ā Ā By the time I wrote my reply there were bunches of comments.Ā Let me get to it. See you in a while.one of these days, son, likely on your next birhday, you are going to realize, as I did, that you are not a sexagenarian any longer...
I'm guilty for this I know I often tend to cycle off the theme. Mostly because my intellectual capacity is rather low. Many times I wonder what the heck am I doing amongst such smart and intellectual folks. On the docks they find me to be a wise guy but here in the deep waters of DhO I'm but a tiny sardine amongst whales.Ā
I ought to practice Noble silence some more too much chatter can attract the sharks! 
Ā
You are a breath of fresh air here so please do not just "get the f... out of here"Ā
I often tend to cycle off the theme. Mostly because my intellectual capacity is rather low. Many times I wonder what the heck am I doing amongst such smart and intellectual folks. On the docks they find me to be a wise guy but here in the deep waters of DhO I'm but a tiny sardine amongst whales.Ā I ought to practice Noble silence some more
too much chatter can attract the sharks! Ā You are a breath of fresh air here so please do not just "get the f... out of here"
Ā
Papa Che Dusko:
I'm guilty for this I know I often tend to cycle off the theme. Mostly because my intellectual capacity is rather low. Many times I wonder what the heck am I doing amongst such smart and intellectual folks. On the docks they find me to be a wise guy but here in the deep waters of DhO I'm but a tiny sardine amongst whales.Ā
I ought to practice Noble silence some more too much chatter can attract the sharks! Ā
You are a breath of fresh air here so please do not just "get the f... out of here"Ā
I often tend to cycle off the theme. Mostly because my intellectual capacity is rather low. Many times I wonder what the heck am I doing amongst such smart and intellectual folks. On the docks they find me to be a wise guy but here in the deep waters of DhO I'm but a tiny sardine amongst whales.Ā I ought to practice Noble silence some more
too much chatter can attract the sharks! Ā You are a breath of fresh air here so please do not just "get the f... out of here"
Ā Ā Ā Beginner's mind is the way. Not knowing is the truth.
Ā Ā It isn't a matter of size, but a matter of age. The young and fresh as opposed to the old and wizened.
Ā Ā You help us keep it fresh.
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qu'ran, suraĀ 18:110
Say, Ė¹O Prophet,Ėŗ āI am only a man like you, Ė¹butĖŗ it has been revealed to me that your God is only One God. So whoever hopes for the meeting with their Lord, let them do good deeds and associate none in the worship of their Lord.ā