RE: BDSM as a path to deep spirituality

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Jano Pavuk, modified 10 Days ago.

BDSM as a path to deep spirituality

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Dear all,

can somebody please offer an informed discussion of this topic?

could you please point me to some high quality resources

thank you and bless you

​​​​​​​Jano
George S, modified 9 Days ago.

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Maybe reach out to Damcho Dyson for some "instruction"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58cbfccfe4b07112b6472cc9/amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tricycle.org/magazine/buddhist-life-damcho-dyson/amp/

I have no experience with her, someone here mentioned her on a thread before. Can't think why it should have stuck in my mind!
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Noah D, modified 9 Days ago.

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I don't know if OP has a tinge of humor or not,  but to play along, Jessica Graham is a teacher that I can personally vouch for who discusses the intersection of sexuality & spirituality.  I have not heard her specifically discuss BDSM at length but she definitely acknowledges it within the range this exploration.  Her book is good & she has 1:1 instruction, etc - https://yourwildawakening.com/ 
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 9 Days ago.

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I know some deeply intuitive people who are doing it, mainly with shibari (ropes tied in artistic ways), but they prefer practicing it to offering in-depth discussions of it. They are the real deal, though. Shamanic type things. They call it flying. I have experienced co-flying with one of them. Pretty cool stuff. 
Hector, modified 8 Days ago.

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Some kinds of pain play at high intensity isn't distinguisable from pleasure, so teaches equinamity. Also feels a bit like intense piti.
The post play catharsis can feel a lot like sukha. Shibari can be like yoga, but with props to help keep the pose.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 8 Days ago.

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It is intense piti. And yup. And it's transmittable. Intuitive empathic people can surf on each other's waves and join each other in something that resembles out of body experiences. The waves can even be visible. 
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Helen Pohl, modified 7 Days ago.

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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö
It is intense piti. And yup. And it's transmittable. Intuitive empathic people can surf on each other's waves and join each other in something that resembles out of body experiences. The waves can even be visible. 

​​​​​​​Huh. That explains some of what I've felt while having extreme gut pains.
Hector, modified 8 Days ago.

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How do I learn how to see energy? My meditation teacher mentioned that recently too, something about just looking between my fingers for a bit.
When I do massage I don't really see the pain location, my hands know where to go but I don't actually see the spots.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modified 8 Days ago.

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If you want to see auras, a plain bright background helps. You need to relax and widen your gaze and sort of let the eye bulbs push back into their sockets. For me the results vary. Other visuals of it just seem to happen in some altered states. I don't know how. It's mainly kinesthetic for me too, or just a knowing. 
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Daniel M. Ingram, modified 8 Days ago.

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Could check out the Lignt Dark Institute, have met one of people who runs it, was impressed: https://www.lightdarkinstitute.com, and have some friends who have benefitted from their work and perspectives.

Also, and as an aside, and probably a bit late to the party, but BONDiNG, the TV show on Netflix, is one of the better written, better acted shows I have seen in a while: smart, deep, funny, moving, revealing, and overall amazing.
genaro, modified 7 Days ago.

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thumbnailNoah D, modified 1 Day ago.RE: BDSM as a path to deep spirituality

I don't know if OP has a tinge of humor or not,  but to play along,
(humour)

No i shouldn't do this, I'll get banned, people will disrespect me, and no doubt worse .... It's all a far cry from 'and the blessed one said...' yet people seem to be broadminded on here.  But it's not a 'high qualtiy resource' as asked for in the OP :=(

I just happened to stumble accross a cartoon blog some time ago. It's NSFW and ever so anatomically correct, and a bit of a medieval sex comedy to boot, so my advice is "don't look at this', but for those willing to confront the darkness within it might be amusing.  Me i think that if you are going BDSM you need a sense of humour, but WTH do i know.

This link is to shibari (thank you Linda) : https://www.oglaf.com/jute/ and so is this: https://www.oglaf.com/plunge/
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Emil Jensen, modified 7 Days ago.

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Started watching BONDiNG today because of your recommendation, Daniel.
If Daniel recommends a Netflix show, that's just some low hanging fruits right there emoticon
genaro, modified 5 Days ago.

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Jano...

(I wonder if you're experimenting with the DhO to see what reaction you get?)

As it happens my attempt to inject humor didn't quite work, my post got truncated half way through. And then i thought 'WTH...'

I'd meant to say something like 'Shibiri: best done with someone you trussed' and then slightly more seriously 'be careful, you can tie yourself in knots with this stuff'.  Linda mentioned trying this out, and whether it's spritiual or not I can't say myself.

I'm completely unqualified to chatter about BDSM, but if you are looking to investigate 'deep spirituality' perhaps you should consider both sides of the equation ie S and well as M/M as well as S, so as to get a balanced view, otherwise maybe it's self serving? Just a wild guess. Why pick on this instead of ritual magick for example?

Another approach might be to view that recent interview w/ dhammarato on guru viking, where he talks quite a lot about 'questions that are worthy of consideration'.  Towards the end there's a question about "if there's an observation of contact/ feeling/ aversion-craving ... through to self(birth), then who's doing the observation before the self kicks in", and he basically throws the question out with an initial response of 'if you knew that would it make you happy?'
George S, modified 4 Days ago.

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I just watched the BONDiNG trailer and one line jumped out at me, something about BDSM being really just liberation from shame. In my experience it's a lot less complicated and more liberating to allow yourself to feel the shame directly in meditation! emoticon
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Griffin, modified 4 Days ago.

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This made me think... What would be the effects of trying to achieve jhana using sexual pleasure? (Concentrating on the pleasurable sensations in the genitals and spreading them through the whole body.)

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