Daniel Thorson's Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next podcast

Sam Gentile, modified 17 Days ago.

Daniel Thorson's Emerge: Making Sense of What's Next podcast

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Through listening to a lot of Daniel Burbea's stuff, I came across super-meditator Daniel Thorson's podcast EMERGE: Making Sense of What's Next. It's not new.  In fact, he stopped it when he went  on retreat. He just made the NY Times when he emerged out of 75 day retreat. There are real gems here including 5 up and persoonal retreats with Rob Burbea particarly when and why he was concieving the Soulmaking Dharma.
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Noah D, modified 17 Days ago.

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I love this podcast.  I've listened to probably 75% of episodes.  My favs are with Soryu Forall, Vinay Gupta, Hanzi F, Nora Bateson, amongst others.  Those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
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Noah D, modified 15 Days ago.

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To chime in further on this conversation , I like the placement of emerge as focused on "balanced awakening " (I think she got this from Shinzen btw).  Awakening as described in Buddhist sutra, tantra & commentaries is not along one axis.  It is much more than seeing through the fundamental immediate duality which is the root cause of grasping.  It has to do with the types of powers needed to transform all aspects of ones personal life & participate in a network of parallel efforts which scale to alleviate collective suffering & evolve society as a whole.  Emerge podcasts hosts many voices that speak to this path.  As does the "pragmatic dharma" movement.
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Brandon Dayton, modified 16 Days ago.

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It's a good one. Still making my way through all the eps. It's a really nice complement to the stuff you read about here. Daniel Thorson started with MCTB and pragmatic dharma and Emerge is kind of about filling in all the gaps (No dis on MCTB, since it is admitedly intended to be about developing in a narrow band of human ability) and Emerge is able to go more into other models of psychological and societal development. The Hanzi Freinacht ep. is a great place to start as it is an intro to Metamodernism which is helpful to frame almost everything else he discusses. The first guest on my podcast that wasn't some previous acquaintance was Miles Bukiet who I also first heard on Emerge. Takes awhile to get up to speed with some of the jargon but It'll def. get you thinking and seeing things in new ways.
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Zero, modified 16 Days ago.

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Can you say a bit more about what you've learned from Daniel Thurson/Emerge? What are the gaps in MCTB/pragmatic dharma? What are the goals and themes? What's their vision? I'm asking because I get the sense that the talks might be a bit too lofty, idealistic, and airy for me.
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Brandon Dayton, modified 16 Days ago.

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Although Daniel I. acknowldges and references the importance of other areas of human development, MCTB is primarily about developing in Wisdom via insight. Emerge looks at things like morality, relationships, cooperation and other systems that fill out the experience of the individual but also extend out into things like community, society and the environment. In short, he's saying that there's more we need to attend to then just seeing through the illusion to self. I think it's a good counterbalance to the intensity of interest that can come from engaging in pragmatic dharma. I've found it personally helpful to remind me to attend to other areas as well. 

My teacher told me the story of someone who was a very advance practicioner, but her observation was that he seemed like everything he had learned had happenned alone in his room. He was awake, but he was kind of a nutty weirdo. She referred to the idea of a "balanced awakening". I think that is one way to look at what Emerge is doing. It's trying to be as thorough as possible with its investigation of how we can develop (individually and collectivelly) in an as broad and balanced way as possible.

Stuff does gets lofty, but it's also pretty committed to pragmatic application of the ideas. You'd be hard pressed to say that Daniel H. is just talking about ideas he's not willing to commit to, or experiment with himself. From my understanding, his work at the Monastic Academy is a pretty direct emobdiment of most of what he is exploring.
Sam Gentile, modified 16 Days ago.

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Although Daniel I. acknowldges and references the importance of other areas of human development, MCTB is primarily about developing in Wisdom via insight. Emerge looks at things like morality, relationships, cooperation and other systems that fill out the experience of the individual but also extend out into things like community, society and the environment. In short, he's saying that there's more we need to attend to then just seeing through the illusion to self. I think it's a good counterbalance to the intensity of interest that can come from engaging in pragmatic dharma. I've found it personally helpful to remind me to attend to other areas as well. 

Brandon, I have to admit I got these podcasts only because Rob Burbea was on 5 of them and it tuns out his Soulmaking Dharma is totally incomprehensible as the other stuff. Do I really need the stuff above that you point out? I justt want to get awakened. I supoose I do but the language oos this kind of stuff doesn't make sense to me.
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Brandon Dayton, modified 16 Days ago.

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There is a learning curve necessary get up to speed with Emerge, but honestly, it's less than what you need to do so with pragmatic dharma. Whether or not you find it interesting or useful though is entirely up to you.  

Maybe start with the Jordan Grenhall episode on sovereignty and see what you think. It's a concept very related to awakening.

​​​​​​​https://open.spotify.com/episode/2f4PBrLaXREdqlc0oBV8Zr?si=sXUiPTJ6TcGk8rEenwSgVA
Sam Gentile, modified 15 Days ago.

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I'm finding the Jordan Greenhall episode on Sovereignity really tough going because of all the prerequistite materials but I'm plunging ahead.

Can you give me a clue on how its very related to awakening?
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Noah D, modified 14 Days ago.

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Fwiw I don't find Jordan Gs model that compelling . It feels like a modern, simple reworking of the basic Buddhist lists : 5 faculties , 3 trainings, etc.  He is super popular amongst the metamodern crowd but perhaps it would be better if they refreshed their Pali canon reading lol.  I would not say that about all the episodes.  Hanzis game b stuff , for instance, is additive to basic dharma.
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Brandon Dayton, modified 14 Days ago.

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I don't know my suttas that well (at all) so It's new to me. 
Sam Gentile, modified 13 Days ago.

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Brandon, I studied up on Jordan  Greenhall and Soveriegty all weekend and still in the end, what is the end result? Is it a framwork for building complex apps? Is it a toolkit? Where? Or is it a philosopy?

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