No center-AF Practice thread - Discussion
Ahh yes I just listened to the 2nd part of the talks again good stuff. I think I'm back on track now 
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Here are some random notes I've made over the last week and some quotes I find useful.
Negative/adverse affect
Irritability
Tightness in solar plexus area
tensing of breathing
increased or decreased breathing
- decrease breathing along with tension in mid torso
- rapid breathing with jitteriness, anxiety
Wordlessly saying "I want"
Wordlessness is a result of not knowing
When I "say it's name" it dissipates in the light of awareness.
Pure intent reminds me of the wording of the sixth step of alcoholics anonymous, " became entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character" it's the "entirely ready" part where I find the similarity.
proprioception is a term that Thanisarro Bhikkhu uses in his talks referring to the sense of the breath energy in the body. This same idea is expressed in Kenneth folk instructions in direct mode of perception grounding technique. And Richard uses the term on the AFT site talking about apperception as fallows,
RESPONDENT: You always are covering behind the word ‘apperceptively aware’.
RICHARD: If that is how you see what I report then apparently nothing I can further say is going to alter that conclusion.
RESPONDENT: How you know you are alive?
RICHARD: Sensately ... ... I have written about this to you twice before. Here is an excerpt:
• [Richard]: ‘... if one were to close the eyes one will find there is a sensing, or perception, of being oriented in space (of space all around including behind the body) ... and this has as much to do with balance, acceleration and/or rotation in space, orientation in a gravity field (if there be one) as it has to do with the proprioceptive senses proper in the muscles, tendons, and joints.
The proprioceptive senses are part of the somatic sensory system (somaesthesis/ somaesthesia) which is the faculty of bodily perception (sensory systems associated with the body) and includes skin senses (cutaneous receptors for hot/cold, pressure, physical pleasure/pain, for example) and the internal organs sensors (cardiovascular or circulatory receptors for blood pressure, heart rate, and carbon dioxide and digestive tract receptors for hunger and thirst, for instance) as well as the equilibrium sense, or sense of balance, already mentioned.
Thus proprioception is the ability to sense the position and location and orientation and movement of the body, and its parts, because of the proprioceptors in the muscles, tendons, and joint capsules (in combination with the sense of balance, acceleration and/or rotation in space, and orientation in a gravitational field, of the inner ear or vestibular organ).
In other words: the sense of being here, in space, as a body is not just because of sight (visual perception), sound (auditory perception), touch (cutaneous perception), smell (olfactory perception), and taste (gustatory perception). (Re: For Richard; May 31, 2003).
RESPONDENT: Do you have any other mean except thought to know it?
RICHARD: Yes ... you will see, upon re-reading my response (above), that I clearly say the sense of being here, in space, as a body is not just because of sight (visual perception), sound (auditory perception), touch (cutaneous perception), smell (olfactory perception), and taste (gustatory perception) but proprioception as well.
And sensory perception is what consciousness is at its most basic ... perception means consciousness (aka awareness). Vis.:
• ‘perception: the state of being or process of becoming aware or conscious of a thing, spec. through any of the senses; the faculty of perceiving; an ability to perceive; [synonyms: (...) awareness, consciousness]. (Oxford Dictionary).
And consciousness means sentience. Vis.:
• ‘sentience: the condition or quality of being sentient; consciousness, susceptibility to sensation’. (Oxford Dictionary).
And sentience is direct, immediate (sensate perception is primary; affective perception is secondary; cognitive perception is tertiary).
This apperceptiveness is not new to my practice. And specifically the proprioception Is almost a daily used tool. I guess I'm just saying I feel like I'm on the right track here.
Also Tarin talked about tracing back feelings which I would like a little bit more input on if anyone would care to comment on that.
Thanks - Ross
!Here are some random notes I've made over the last week and some quotes I find useful.
Negative/adverse affect
Irritability
Tightness in solar plexus area
tensing of breathing
increased or decreased breathing
- decrease breathing along with tension in mid torso
- rapid breathing with jitteriness, anxiety
Wordlessly saying "I want"
Wordlessness is a result of not knowing
When I "say it's name" it dissipates in the light of awareness.
Pure intent reminds me of the wording of the sixth step of alcoholics anonymous, " became entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character" it's the "entirely ready" part where I find the similarity.
proprioception is a term that Thanisarro Bhikkhu uses in his talks referring to the sense of the breath energy in the body. This same idea is expressed in Kenneth folk instructions in direct mode of perception grounding technique. And Richard uses the term on the AFT site talking about apperception as fallows,
RESPONDENT: You always are covering behind the word ‘apperceptively aware’.
RICHARD: If that is how you see what I report then apparently nothing I can further say is going to alter that conclusion.
RESPONDENT: How you know you are alive?
RICHARD: Sensately ... ... I have written about this to you twice before. Here is an excerpt:
• [Richard]: ‘... if one were to close the eyes one will find there is a sensing, or perception, of being oriented in space (of space all around including behind the body) ... and this has as much to do with balance, acceleration and/or rotation in space, orientation in a gravity field (if there be one) as it has to do with the proprioceptive senses proper in the muscles, tendons, and joints.
The proprioceptive senses are part of the somatic sensory system (somaesthesis/ somaesthesia) which is the faculty of bodily perception (sensory systems associated with the body) and includes skin senses (cutaneous receptors for hot/cold, pressure, physical pleasure/pain, for example) and the internal organs sensors (cardiovascular or circulatory receptors for blood pressure, heart rate, and carbon dioxide and digestive tract receptors for hunger and thirst, for instance) as well as the equilibrium sense, or sense of balance, already mentioned.
Thus proprioception is the ability to sense the position and location and orientation and movement of the body, and its parts, because of the proprioceptors in the muscles, tendons, and joint capsules (in combination with the sense of balance, acceleration and/or rotation in space, and orientation in a gravitational field, of the inner ear or vestibular organ).
In other words: the sense of being here, in space, as a body is not just because of sight (visual perception), sound (auditory perception), touch (cutaneous perception), smell (olfactory perception), and taste (gustatory perception). (Re: For Richard; May 31, 2003).
RESPONDENT: Do you have any other mean except thought to know it?
RICHARD: Yes ... you will see, upon re-reading my response (above), that I clearly say the sense of being here, in space, as a body is not just because of sight (visual perception), sound (auditory perception), touch (cutaneous perception), smell (olfactory perception), and taste (gustatory perception) but proprioception as well.
And sensory perception is what consciousness is at its most basic ... perception means consciousness (aka awareness). Vis.:
• ‘perception: the state of being or process of becoming aware or conscious of a thing, spec. through any of the senses; the faculty of perceiving; an ability to perceive; [synonyms: (...) awareness, consciousness]. (Oxford Dictionary).
And consciousness means sentience. Vis.:
• ‘sentience: the condition or quality of being sentient; consciousness, susceptibility to sensation’. (Oxford Dictionary).
And sentience is direct, immediate (sensate perception is primary; affective perception is secondary; cognitive perception is tertiary).
This apperceptiveness is not new to my practice. And specifically the proprioception Is almost a daily used tool. I guess I'm just saying I feel like I'm on the right track here.
Also Tarin talked about tracing back feelings which I would like a little bit more input on if anyone would care to comment on that.
Thanks - Ross
I've been slacking a little bit. Although every day I ask HAIETMOBA at least once. Recently a friend was talking to me about the laws of attraction. It seems as though looking at this moment right now as being perfect is a form of that. As I keep that in mind life experiences are perfect more often. So this seeing the perfection of this moment fuels pure intent, to be happy and harmless.
Going back into the workforce requires me to be more vigilant with applying an actuallism inspired practice. Also the law of attraction stuff helps me to realize that complaining about anything in life does me no good and actually creates/reiforces the very things I happen to be complaining about. Like the other day I was feeling really down about living at my dads and being broke. Then the thought occurred to me in the form of a question, " why is this moment right now not perfect, and HAIETMOBA ". And, as I rode my bike, with no specific destination in mind, an awesome clarity filled my mind EE then short pce. The amount of time it took to switch from sorrow to happiness was astonishing. I'd say it took around 5 minutes to pce-ing. Is this what is meant by nievete? Giving happiness or better yet perfection the benifit of the doubt.
Thanks all for your input! And Congratulations Tommy M.! Yes if you can do it so can I!
Going back into the workforce requires me to be more vigilant with applying an actuallism inspired practice. Also the law of attraction stuff helps me to realize that complaining about anything in life does me no good and actually creates/reiforces the very things I happen to be complaining about. Like the other day I was feeling really down about living at my dads and being broke. Then the thought occurred to me in the form of a question, " why is this moment right now not perfect, and HAIETMOBA ". And, as I rode my bike, with no specific destination in mind, an awesome clarity filled my mind EE then short pce. The amount of time it took to switch from sorrow to happiness was astonishing. I'd say it took around 5 minutes to pce-ing. Is this what is meant by nievete? Giving happiness or better yet perfection the benifit of the doubt.
Thanks all for your input! And Congratulations Tommy M.
! Yes if you can do it so can I!
RICHARD: What you say about parinibbana – physical death – is right on the ball. (I also appreciate your confirmation that a PCE is not one iota short of that of cessation).
The main point of this particular email exchange of mine was to explicate how meditative practices do not result in a state sans the affections which can be lived in everyday life (as in living/ breathing, eating/ drinking, urinating/ defecating, walking/ talking, typing emails, and so on and so forth) as the affective faculty remains in situ – albeit somewhat rarefied – in nibbana.
As a means of obtaining peace on earth a never-ending nirodh is entirely useless as it would also result in the body wasting away until its inevitable physical death.
It would mean species extinction were all 6.5 billion peoples alive today ever to do what these bronze-age/ iron-age scriptures exhort them to do.
(Which is the whole point of Buddhism, of course, as Buddhists do not want to be here:
1. Life sucks big-time;
2. Being born is the pits;
3. Escapism is cool;
4. The eight-step programme is tops).
And dilettantes – flush with scraps of very superficial book-learnt misrepresentations – who know not what it is they are promoting are the metaphysical equivalents of what Mr. Joseph Stalin called ‘useful idiots’ (in regards the spread of communism via a transitional socialism) as the western world embraces more and more of what is spreading out from the eastern world all the way around the globe.
- Richard
The main point of this particular email exchange of mine was to explicate how meditative practices do not result in a state sans the affections which can be lived in everyday life (as in living/ breathing, eating/ drinking, urinating/ defecating, walking/ talking, typing emails, and so on and so forth) as the affective faculty remains in situ – albeit somewhat rarefied – in nibbana.
As a means of obtaining peace on earth a never-ending nirodh is entirely useless as it would also result in the body wasting away until its inevitable physical death.
It would mean species extinction were all 6.5 billion peoples alive today ever to do what these bronze-age/ iron-age scriptures exhort them to do.
(Which is the whole point of Buddhism, of course, as Buddhists do not want to be here:
1. Life sucks big-time;
2. Being born is the pits;
3. Escapism is cool;
4. The eight-step programme is tops).
And dilettantes – flush with scraps of very superficial book-learnt misrepresentations – who know not what it is they are promoting are the metaphysical equivalents of what Mr. Joseph Stalin called ‘useful idiots’ (in regards the spread of communism via a transitional socialism) as the western world embraces more and more of what is spreading out from the eastern world all the way around the globe.
- Richard
I got a good laugh out of this. I'm glad I read this because it dispelled my contempt prior to investigation that Richard knows nothing of Buddhism!
I have been asking haietmoba since awakening this morning and going back through the AF site to clarify some things.
Short pce this morning and a lot of EE whilst driving bus. And almost continual nievete. I think I'm back on board with this.
Oh and one more thing, what the heck is bloody-mindedness? Sorry I live in Des Moines, IA and that's not at all a familiar Figure of speech
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