Wilber-Horn Matrix?

shargrol, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 6:59 AM
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Wilber-Horn Matrix?

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Anybody have a link or a description or a graphic or the actual matrix of the Wilber-Horn Matrix?

This Buddhist Geeks email/advertisement provoked my curiousity (underlining is mine):

Waking up and growing up in a world in crisisJune 12 - September 13, 2022This training is a deepening of the foundation cultivated in our introductory Integral Dharma Training. Our focus for Advanced Integral Dharma is integrating Waking Up and Growing Up into a single practice and experience, combining states of consciousness and stages of development through The Phases of Insight and Ken Wilber’s model of ego development (first created by Vince Fakhoury Horn as the ‘Wilber-Horn Matrix’). We will inhabit these states and stages experientially through Social Meditation, particularly the form of Zen Noting. What we discover through these practices and exploration will be done in the context of being of benefit in an increasingly complex world in crisis.

(which links to this webpage: https://www.buddhistgeeks.training/advanced-integral-dharma/)
genaro, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 8:46 AM
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from a search engine

https://www.paulhelfrich.com/library/Helfrich_P_The_Five_Phases_of_Wilber.pdf

page 35 figure 6 maybe, but there's plenty of other graphics

I always thought the matrix (the film) was like being trapped in a ken wilbur nightmare, internet search confirms this!

this also popped up :

https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/aw0vk3/theory_should_i_care_who_ken_wilber_is_and_why/

but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?
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Chris M, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 8:50 AM
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If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn. emoticon
shargrol, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 1:21 PM
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genaro

but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?

As Wilber once said, "no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time" -- which I also apply to Wilber's ideas emoticon 

(and I do my best to apply it to shargrol's ideas, too! emoticon )
shargrol, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 5:57 PM
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If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn. emoticon

I am not worthy of emailing Vince Horn.
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Chris M, modified 5 Months ago at 6/15/22 7:08 PM
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I am not worthy of emailing Vince Horn

​​​​​​​He would probably be happy to help.
Dolf An, modified 5 Months ago at 6/30/22 4:59 PM
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shargrol:
Chris M If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn. emoticon
I am not worthy of emailing Vince Horn.
<br /><br />Shargrol. Now this is outrageous. I'm a lurker at this site, and was for some time during last spring a keen reader of https://shargrolpostscompilation.blogspot.com. How can a seemingly wise and in their inner life also seemingly quite accomplished person think that they are "not worthy" of emailing some writer? Now this is outrageous. Wake up, please!<br /><br />Best wishes from someone who has benefitted from your input a lot.
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Chris M, modified 5 Months ago at 6/30/22 5:08 PM
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Yeah, wake up!

EDIT and FYI - I just emailed Vince Horn about this. He's in Europe on a vacation but I think he'll get back to me at some point.
shargrol, modified 5 Months ago at 6/30/22 7:48 PM
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Wake up to my life? Sounds exhausting... but it would make a good title to a book.  
Dolf An, modified 5 Months ago at 7/1/22 12:02 AM
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Why not write a book? Though the title seems taken, perhaps try something like Life is real only then when i am not?<br />Sorry for the bluntness anyways.
shargrol, modified 5 Months ago at 7/1/22 5:36 AM
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I hear you. Time will tell, wish me luck.
Adi Vader, modified 5 Months ago at 7/1/22 7:53 AM
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Hello Sir.

I vaguely remember reading a comment of yours where you mentioned that you were working on a practice focused book.
Since then I have been keeping an eye out to see if you have made any progress or have already published.

Please know that I am (and others are too) eagerly waiting for your book.
​​​​​​​Lots of stuff that I look forward to stealing emoticon.
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Pepe ·, modified 5 Months ago at 7/1/22 8:10 AM
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It could have been a good title, but it's already taken emoticon


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Dolf An, modified 4 Months ago at 8/4/22 1:55 AM
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Sure, good luck with writing! Would happily read your book.
They say you need also sitting muscles to write, but as you obviously already have some experience with sitting, what else could you need besides those and the oh so unreliable luck?

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