noting and meta-noting?

Tom Wright, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 1.5.2024 20:51
Created 15 päivää ago at 1.5.2024 20:51

noting and meta-noting?

Viestejä: 9 Liittymispäivä: 30.4.2024 Viimeisimmät viestit
Have been focusing on concentration practice. However, I had something to add, and it seems this might be the section for it.

Have been having trouble lately and been trying to use it to fuel my insight practice. An image has been bothering me, and coming up during my concentration practice. I note it. Even when its absent I feel its absence without seeing it. So I had to note that as well -- the feeling that it's there without being there. And there were times when even that passed away -- when I was no longer aware of its absence.

Is this a step to take in noting and the beginnings of insight, or am I just fooling myself?
shargrol, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 2.5.2024 6:01
Created 15 päivää ago at 2.5.2024 6:01

RE: noting and meta-noting?

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The benefits of noting sensations, emotions, and thoughts is that you are momentarily able to objectify an experience, to witness it basically. As a result, you get a little distance from the experience and you are also better able to see it in the context of all the other experiences that are also happening.

When some sensations, emotions, and thoughts are difficult or sticky, they seem really hard to grasp/experience and they also seem to be part of our identity -- I am the sensation, I am the emotion, I am the thought...  But when we are more in "witness" mode, then the experience "I have the sensation, I have the emotion, I have the thought". 

Noting also strikes a balance by helping "witnessing" occur. Sometimes people want to push away bothersome experiences, but as they say in psychology "what you resist persists". So the better approach is to let difficult experience show up, but neither ignore nor indulge in them. 

The extra benefit of noting is that when we get really used to seeing the nature of mind objects (sensations, emotions, and thoughts) over and over again, then when a new thing seems difficult or sticky, we intuitively know that all mind object arise and pass, they aren't "solid", and they aren't our identity. 

Sounds like you are using noting in a similar way in your practice: creating some distance by noting and witnessing an experience that has been bothing you. Makes sense to me.
Tom Wright, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 2.5.2024 7:51
Created 15 päivää ago at 2.5.2024 7:51

RE: noting and meta-noting?

Viestejä: 9 Liittymispäivä: 30.4.2024 Viimeisimmät viestit
Thank you for the reply. Is there anything to be said about the experience of not "seeing" the image but feeling that it's "there" anyway, and noting even that?
shargrol, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 2.5.2024 8:19
Created 15 päivää ago at 2.5.2024 8:19

RE: noting and meta-noting?

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Of course, note the sensations and thoughts that are there, simple! emoticon
Tom Wright, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 2.5.2024 8:52
Created 15 päivää ago at 2.5.2024 8:52

RE: noting and meta-noting?

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All right then, onward I go!
shargrol, muokattu 15 päivää sitten at 2.5.2024 8:53
Created 15 päivää ago at 2.5.2024 8:53

RE: noting and meta-noting?

Viestejä: 2473 Liittymispäivä: 8.2.2016 Viimeisimmät viestit