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Question about guided practices
Mark, modified 8 Months ago at 6/1/24 3:03 PM
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Question about guided practices
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I have not been here for years; it is nice to find the site alive and well! Recently, I have been wondering about transmitting realizations about processism (understanding the world as a process-centric conception, as opposed to the essentialist perspective that dominates modern culture). These realizations seem inevitable with significant meditation practice. Is anyone aware of group and/or pair practices that can accelerate insight into this particular aspect? I imagine combining theory with a practice (to be defined) that can provide a perceptual understanding to complement a conceptual understanding of processism. The intention is not to find a shortcut to awakening but to help people align with a new way of thinking and experiencing in terms of process. Any ideas would be very welcome. Thanks.
Dream Walker, modified 8 Months ago at 6/14/24 6:11 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
Posts: 1770 Join Date: 1/18/12 Recent PostsMark I have not been here for years; it is nice to find the site alive and well!
Recently, I have been wondering about transmitting realizations about processism
Processism - Process philosophy This is a lot to figure out.... how do you look at this?
(understanding the world as a process-centric conception, as opposed to the essentialist perspective that dominates modern culture).
Essentialism - Essentialism
These realizations
seem inevitable with significant meditation practice.
Is anyone aware of group and/or pair practices that can accelerate insight into this particular aspect?
I imagine combining theory with a practice (to be defined)
that can provide a perceptual understanding to complement a conceptual understanding of processism.
The intention is not to find a shortcut to awakening but to help people align with a new way of thinking and experiencing in terms of process.
Any ideas would be very welcome.
Clear methodology.
Clear results.
This is my pragmatic ethos, plus the openess to share.
See if this link helps in any way.
A Framework of Awakening
Thanks.
~D
Dream Walker, modified 8 Months ago at 6/14/24 6:48 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
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Oh, here is a fun thing to look at in the same area -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_semantics
I'm pretty sure those dudes were getting A&P with their stuff.... Past that who knows...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_semantics
I'm pretty sure those dudes were getting A&P with their stuff.... Past that who knows...
Mark, modified 7 Months ago at 6/24/24 3:11 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
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Hi ~D,
Sorry for my slow reply and thanks for your response to my question.
Transmitting - helping people develop their understanding (i.e. beyond providing information)
Realizations - understanding reality in a new way that probably includes a shift in experience
Processism - my preferences are relational biology and social constructionism
The realizations I'm referring to would be the understanding of a process-centric perspective
Why - I believe it is a more useful way of anticipating
Insight - an analogy of realization
Why not a shortcut to awakening - a different (and perhaps complementary) goal
Your thread is very insightful and too broad for what I have in mind. I'm thinking perhaps a particular type of guided meditation. I wonder if there are medative practices that involve dialogue (I've heard of Insight Dialogue) which might fit the purpose. I would rather use an approach that has some history than develop an approach myself.
Thanks for the link to genreal semantics, I did not know of that field. The "Silent and Verbal Levels" diagram reminds me of Dependent Origination. That seems like a good angle - something that would allow for a conscious experience of this - a sort of taster that would increase sensitivity to that potential path. Maybe you know of practices that could fit the bill (I'm imagining a short one-off session) ?
Sorry for my slow reply and thanks for your response to my question.
Transmitting - helping people develop their understanding (i.e. beyond providing information)
Realizations - understanding reality in a new way that probably includes a shift in experience
Processism - my preferences are relational biology and social constructionism
The realizations I'm referring to would be the understanding of a process-centric perspective
Why - I believe it is a more useful way of anticipating
Insight - an analogy of realization
Why not a shortcut to awakening - a different (and perhaps complementary) goal
Your thread is very insightful and too broad for what I have in mind. I'm thinking perhaps a particular type of guided meditation. I wonder if there are medative practices that involve dialogue (I've heard of Insight Dialogue) which might fit the purpose. I would rather use an approach that has some history than develop an approach myself.
Thanks for the link to genreal semantics, I did not know of that field. The "Silent and Verbal Levels" diagram reminds me of Dependent Origination. That seems like a good angle - something that would allow for a conscious experience of this - a sort of taster that would increase sensitivity to that potential path. Maybe you know of practices that could fit the bill (I'm imagining a short one-off session) ?
Dream Walker, modified 7 Months ago at 6/24/24 6:42 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
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Hi ~D,
Sorry for my slow reply and thanks for your response to my question.
Transmitting - helping people develop their understanding (i.e. beyond providing information)
Realizations - understanding reality in a new way that probably includes a shift in experience
Processism - my preferences are relational biology and social constructionism
The realizations I'm referring to would be the understanding of a process-centric perspective
Why - I believe it is a more useful way of anticipating
Insight - an analogy of realization
Why not a shortcut to awakening - a different (and perhaps complementary) goal
Your thread is very insightful and too broad for what I have in mind. I'm thinking perhaps a particular type of guided meditation. I wonder if there are medative practices that involve dialogue (I've heard of Insight Dialogue) which might fit the purpose. I would rather use an approach that has some history than develop an approach myself.
Thanks for the link to genreal semantics, I did not know of that field. The "Silent and Verbal Levels" diagram reminds me of Dependent Origination. That seems like a good angle - something that would allow for a conscious experience of this - a sort of taster that would increase sensitivity to that potential path. Maybe you know of practices that could fit the bill (I'm imagining a short one-off session) ?
Hi ~D,
Sorry for my slow reply and thanks for your response to my question.
Transmitting - helping people develop their understanding (i.e. beyond providing information)
Realizations - understanding reality in a new way that probably includes a shift in experience
Processism - my preferences are relational biology and social constructionism
The realizations I'm referring to would be the understanding of a process-centric perspective
Why - I believe it is a more useful way of anticipating
Insight - an analogy of realization
Why not a shortcut to awakening - a different (and perhaps complementary) goal
Your thread is very insightful and too broad for what I have in mind. I'm thinking perhaps a particular type of guided meditation. I wonder if there are medative practices that involve dialogue (I've heard of Insight Dialogue) which might fit the purpose. I would rather use an approach that has some history than develop an approach myself.
Thanks for the link to genreal semantics, I did not know of that field. The "Silent and Verbal Levels" diagram reminds me of Dependent Origination. That seems like a good angle - something that would allow for a conscious experience of this - a sort of taster that would increase sensitivity to that potential path. Maybe you know of practices that could fit the bill (I'm imagining a short one-off session) ?
You definately narrowed it down.
Thanks!
Important questions to figure out -
- Goals=
- Success looks like=
- Non success looks like =
~D
ps. I think that the A&P is where you want to get people with a focus on permanence vs impermanence.
Geoffrey Gatekeeper of the Gateless Gate, modified 7 Months ago at 6/24/24 9:41 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
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You should check out the book seeing that frees by rob burbea. I think it is an excellent book that gets to what you're pointing at (and much more), and I think he does a particularly good job developing practices around that.
Mark, modified 7 Months ago at 6/24/24 9:52 AM
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Important questions to figure out -
- Goals= establish a common understanding of processism for future collaboration
- Success looks like= communicating effectively in terms of process
- Non success looks like = inefficient/failed communication
Mark, modified 7 Months ago at 6/24/24 9:58 AM
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RE: Question about guided practices
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Thanks. Is there a simple practice that you were thinking of from that book ? In the scenario I imagine there is not the time to read a book and I assume the person does not have a desire to explore meditation practice in great depth (so I guess Rob's book could overwhelm).