In 2018 I went to a concert where I took the spirit molecule, Lucy and ecstasy all at once.I look at my arm and I could see through it. I could see the ground. It was dissolving like the ending from Avengers Infinity Wars. Then after the arm dissolved it kept going up until the head area. I can see through that point of consciousness all around. Finally, that point even disappeared and I remember being a point in space in the room seeing the whole room and being it simultaneously. It was like I became the vibrations of the music. I became the waves dancing in space. What would you label this experience?About a month later I had an "Arising and passing" experience after listening to the "Power of Now". Lots of misery around that time. I got a ticket, laughed at the fact that I ran into the same issues, went home, cried, went outside for walk, saw the saturation of reality turn more white, and had thoughts come an go smoothly. Felt like my whole life was built for that "moment".

The udayabbaya nana, or the 'knowledge' of arising and passing is an Insight attainment.

This Insight is usually attained when one has a superbly trained mind. One gets that superbly trained mind .... by training the mind. It is possible that some people have a natural talent, so they start at a baseline much higher than other people. It is also possible that some people are extremely deluded. 

Sitting outside as an observer of your writing here it is impossible to form an opinion.

My advice would be to pick up a well structured training program that trains all 7 factors of awakening. In parallel apply this mind as you train it towards investigating conscious experience in a very methodical way in line with the satipatthana sutta.

Set aside all fascination with drugs and their side effects on perception. If for you drugs are fun and you wish to do them recreationally and can avoid tangling with the law, or with addiction, then do them .... as a recreational activity. Try not to take stuff that happens on drugs seriously.

There is a lot freedom from dukkha / suffering that is possible if you build a very structured methodical practice intelligently designed to build knowledge wisdom dispassion and ultimately freedom from suffering.

​​​​​​​I wish you the very best.

I wrote about two experiences here.

One during the concert and one after.

The one after I believe to be "arising and passing." - as it matches the description from Daniel Ingrams book. The color saturation of external reality glowed in translucent white and my thoughts came and go. Questions came, were answered, then dissolved with absolutely no resistance. It felt cathartic and really good. Cried for a good couple hours.

The one during the concert I feel like it could be one of the formless realm samatha jhanas but I am not entierly sure. Body became see through, point of conciousness was highly concentrated in the middle of the head area, let's say the third eye. Then, poof, that point dissolved and point of conciousness in a mere point of the music vibration in the room. If there is no label or perhaps maybe best not to label then so be it, but if there is I am just curious.

Thank you for the advice. I no longer partake for over 2 years now. Overdid it and got psychosis.

Hey. All due respect to your experience. If it is truly the udayabbaya nana, then I am happy for you.

It wont hurt to set up a daily consistent methodical well structured practice. Plan your work and work your plan. If nothing else, then at least it will give you confidence.

A hallucination?

You have seen that the mind can do a lot more than just think and that the world doesn't have to be just one way. That's awesome!

If you develop a steady practice, you may be able to go further and see more. To develop a steady practice, you might want to continue to study so you have the right view going in, make a commitment to yourself to keep going, make ethics a central part of your life, so you are less likely to be messed up by worries, then just really get into it, keep the mindfulness going, and develop the skill of absorption by sitting every day.

​​​​​​​It's a big project, but it's worth it!

Then jhanas are hallucinations also.

What part of :


has anything to do with the jhanas?

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If you were on drugs and meditated for a while and reached strong states of concentration then you could have jhana like experiences I suppose. 
The description of what the 5?,6?,7? formless jhanas are sort of sounds like something I could've experienced with the help of psychedelics... altered states of conciousness regardless how achieved are just that. So would that be similar to it.

Locating the point of conciousness, noticing it disappear and then turning into mere vibration of the music in the room. With no central point, no observer, pure conciousness. That experience. What is it?

A memory.

One day you are in the vermilion castle and the next...


Forget the past. Remember the power of now.

Its all good  

then you are certainly going to have a nice day



​​​​​​​on the other hand...

Having had a lot of experience with drugs and jhanas, I would not say they are similar. There are small overlapping parts, in the same way that there are overlapping parts between being drunk and being in love, but nobody could mistake one for the other.