An exhortation

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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 1:59 PM
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An exhortation

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I exhort you, yes you, right now.

If there is something bothering you, something you are trying to ignore, go resolve it.

If you feel like you need to do something, go do it.

Nothing, but nothing, (as Richard says), can be swept under the carpet.
Adam , modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:17 PM
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James Yen:
I exhort you, yes you, right now.

If there is something bothering you, something you are trying to ignore, go resolve it.

If you feel like you need to do something, go do it.

Nothing, but nothing, (as Richard says), can be swept under the carpet.


Could you give an example? I don't think I know exactly what you mean. Could it be wanting to go rock climbing because I saw it on tv a little while ago?
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:20 PM
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Oh no, no no no no no no.

No.

It is a deep yearning, for existence (bhava tanha), for non-existence (vibhava tanha) and etc. That must be consummated.

A fundamental existential yearning.
Adam , modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:23 PM
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I think I can locate both of those yearnings, what exactly do you mean by consummating them? Especially confusing since they are contradicting each other.
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:25 PM
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Oh good.

Well you don't wipe out, smash, or destroy them.

You be them, in their fullness, and run them dry.

Similar to how one let's out pressure on a water pipe and thus reduces its danger, in the same way, express, be, consummate those desires.

Let them die. Cessate.
Adam , modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:40 PM
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Any more concrete explanation, can't say I really know what to do... Is this your practice right now? How exactly do you do it.

Let me cut to the chase, do you think your perceptions might be warped in favor of "now I understand everything" and your practice a little less serious because of it? Also, if your perceptions are warped, maybe you can let go of them now because the perceptions that follow them might be more painful for your having believed these.
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:44 PM
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Well sure.

The instructions are here:

1) Sit still.

2) Is something bothering you?

3) Is there something you can do about it?

4) Go do it.

That's about as concrete as it gets.

Basically, don't delay your extinction, whatever you have to do, do it now, do your duty to your fellow human being. Procrastination helps no one.

It was all over for me in a matter of minutes.

And I harmed no one in the process.
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 9:47 PM
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Adam . .:
Let me cut to the chase, do you think your perceptions might be warped in favor of "now I understand everything" and your practice a little less serious because of it?


No, this has been my understanding for the past 3 years, it has never left me, in fact it has plagued me.

All I did was take action and do what I needed to do.

Adam . .:
Also, if your perceptions are warped, maybe you can let go of them now because the perceptions that follow them might be more painful for your having believed these.


Ah I see, so basically you just want to believe... xyz.. about me, for whatever reason.

You are free to do that.

I am no longer interested in condemning Richard, the DhO or anyone anymore.
Adam , modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 10:04 PM
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Actually I've found that the opposite is true, if I just do whatever I feel like doing I get more deluded. If you ever get serious about practicing you could try the inverse of what you mentioned and be aware of the impulses without acting on them. As I see it, sincerity (in the pursuit of the end of suffering) is basically the time you spend mindfully suffering. So at least stay mindful. There is only so much I or anyone can say to invoke this sincerity, but the reality of suffering will get you eventually, could be decades or lifetimes... I hope it's less, but don't worry I won't "help" you find sincerity anymore
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 10:23 PM
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Actually, I couldn't agree more.

My point was:

An insincerity is what causes pain, of being a contingent being (living a lie).

By being sincere, and going towards one extinction, does one find the end of suffering.

I delayed and delayed and delayed, but I delayed no more. And now it's done.

So don't worry about me.

Note: My practice didn't consist of "doing whatever I wanted".

You are simply, incorrect. Again.

Actually I've found that the opposite is true, if I just do whatever I feel like doing I get more deluded.


Actually I have found that that is not true. To each his own eh? One must first be aware of what one wants, then be sincere about it, then... well... sincerity is everything.

If you ever get serious about practicing you could try the inverse of what you mentioned and be aware of the impulses without acting on them.


This is actually what I did, toward the end.

As I see it, sincerity (in the pursuit of the end of suffering) is basically the time you spend mindfully suffering.


Nope, heedfulness is the path to the end of suffering.

So at least stay mindful. There is only so much I or anyone can say to invoke this sincerity, but the reality of suffering will get you eventually, could be decades or lifetimes... I hope it's less, but don't worry I won't "help" you find sincerity anymore


You are mistaken. I have invoked (past tense) the sincerity, and now it is done.

There is no delusion here, period. I was only lazy, lazy for quite some time.
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 10:45 PM
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It is quite frustrating to have people consistently misinterpret you.

Or at least, it is frustrating where their default opinion is that you suck.

No matter what.

That is how I feel about your attitude (actually the attitude of people here in general) towards me.

Can you not see, how hypocritical it is to bear this attitude?

Or does that elude you.
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fivebells , modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 11:12 PM
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James Yen:
It is quite frustrating to have people consistently misinterpret you.


This is a superb opportunity to clarify how your practice works. Something is bothering you. Your recommendation is to go resolve it. How are you going to do that? (Not a rhetorical question, I would like to understand.)
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/8/12 11:56 PM
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By none other than resolving what I think people are targeting in me.

So in other words, if someone claims I'm sincere, I feel remorse.

Then I resolve it by being sincere.

Plagued me for a long time, bro.

I'm actually surprised no one relates to this. But I guess it's different for everyone.
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fivebells , modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 12:03 AM
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James Yen:
So in other words, if someone claims I'm sincere, I feel remorse.

Then I resolve it by being sincere.


And what if someone implies that you're not sincere, as seems to be the case here?
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 12:13 AM
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fivebells .:
James Yen:
So in other words, if someone claims I'm sincere, I feel remorse.

Then I resolve it by being sincere.


And what if someone implies that you're not sincere, as seems to be the case here?


Then I be sincere.

It's really that simple.

Edit:

Oh my bad, I meant to write:

"if someone claims I'm insincere,"

LOLL
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fivebells , modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 12:51 PM
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James Yen:
Edit:

Oh my bad, I meant to write:

"if someone claims I'm insincere,"


Hmm, over here you say you say

James Yen:
I am happy, I am troubled by no angst, never sad and never remorseful. I feel fine.


How did this inconsistency arise?
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 12:54 PM
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The uh, fundamental issue that caused me remorse is now resolved.
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fivebells , modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 1:03 PM
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What is the fundamental issue? When did you stop experiencing remorse?
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James Yen, modified 11 Years ago at 8/9/12 1:05 PM
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Something like two days ago.

I just stopped 'being'.