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The Mic-Drop Sutta
Bahiya Baby, modified 1 Month ago at 2/25/25 12:43 AM
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The Mic-Drop Sutta
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The Mic-Drop Sutta
"Mendicant, judgments driven by proliferating perceptions beset a person. If they don’t find anything worth approving, welcoming, or getting attached to in the source from which these arise, just this is the end of the underlying tendencies to desire, repulsion, views, doubt, conceit, the desire to be reborn, and ignorance. This is the end of taking up the rod and the sword, the end of quarrels, arguments, and disputes, of accusations, divisive speech, and lies. This is where these bad, unskillful qualities cease without anything left over."
"Mendicant, judgments driven by proliferating perceptions beset a person. If they don’t find anything worth approving, welcoming, or getting attached to in the source from which these arise, just this is the end of the underlying tendencies to desire, repulsion, views, doubt, conceit, the desire to be reborn, and ignorance. This is the end of taking up the rod and the sword, the end of quarrels, arguments, and disputes, of accusations, divisive speech, and lies. This is where these bad, unskillful qualities cease without anything left over."
Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 2/25/25 7:39 PM
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RE: The Mic-Drop Sutta
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"Now, not long after the Blessed One's departure, Bāhiya was attacked & killed by a cow with a young calf. Then the Blessed One, having gone for alms in Sāvatthī, after the meal, returning from his alms round with a large number of monks, saw that Bāhiya had died."
Drops the mic ... .... ... Elvis left the building!
Drops the mic ... .... ... Elvis left the building!
shargrol, modified 1 Month ago at 2/26/25 6:33 AM
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RE: The Mic-Drop Sutta
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Be careful papa, the stick is a boomerang that often comes back to the wielder.
Thanks for the Sutta. This part was a really good reminder:
"Where there is no ear … no nose … no tongue … no body … no mind, no ideas, and no mind consciousness, it will not be possible to discover evidence of contact. Where there is no evidence of contact, it will not be possible to discover evidence of feeling. Where there is no evidence of feeling, it will not be possible to discover evidence of perception. Where there is no evidence of perception, it will not be possible to discover evidence of thinking. Where there is no evidence of thinking, it will not be possible to discover evidence of being beset by judgments driven by proliferating perceptions."
I used to read passages like that with the interpretation that the goal was a no-ear, no-tongue, no-body, no-ideas, and no-mind STATE and that was nirvana. But it's actually a reminder that all reactivity is founded on the false assumption --- in the midst of reactivity --- that some significant contact is still happening, feeling is still happening, perception is still happening, and so thinking is still relevant, and it makes sense to have judgement driven by proliferating perceptions. But that experience that we're reacting to? It's already gone, gone, beyond gone.
And so the compulsion for proliferation can be seen for the futility it is, it gets dropped like a hot coal.
But usually it takes lots and lots of hand burns before we developing the dropping the hot coal wisdom.
Thanks for the Sutta. This part was a really good reminder:
"Where there is no ear … no nose … no tongue … no body … no mind, no ideas, and no mind consciousness, it will not be possible to discover evidence of contact. Where there is no evidence of contact, it will not be possible to discover evidence of feeling. Where there is no evidence of feeling, it will not be possible to discover evidence of perception. Where there is no evidence of perception, it will not be possible to discover evidence of thinking. Where there is no evidence of thinking, it will not be possible to discover evidence of being beset by judgments driven by proliferating perceptions."
I used to read passages like that with the interpretation that the goal was a no-ear, no-tongue, no-body, no-ideas, and no-mind STATE and that was nirvana. But it's actually a reminder that all reactivity is founded on the false assumption --- in the midst of reactivity --- that some significant contact is still happening, feeling is still happening, perception is still happening, and so thinking is still relevant, and it makes sense to have judgement driven by proliferating perceptions. But that experience that we're reacting to? It's already gone, gone, beyond gone.
And so the compulsion for proliferation can be seen for the futility it is, it gets dropped like a hot coal.
But usually it takes lots and lots of hand burns before we developing the dropping the hot coal wisdom.
Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 2/26/25 8:22 AM
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RE: The Mic-Drop Sutta
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"Be careful papa, the stick is a boomerang that often comes back to the wielder. "
Oh I was just having too much fun
That's pub life for ya! Sometime you get a shot of tequila and sometimes an ars kicking, and sometimes both!
Oh I was just having too much fun

