Not self, not other. Some practice tidbits.

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pixelcloud *, modified 1 Month ago at 3/5/25 6:49 AM
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Not self, not other. Some practice tidbits.

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 Some observations from deep in the 3rd path-ish rabbit hole, for those weirdos whose idea of a good time it is to read such things. ;)

After the recent turn back towards pretty flashy absorption states during sits that started at the end of December, with pureland jhana special effects to the rafters, etc., wich I found both interesting, fruitful and somewhat comical for their sheer intensity, for about two weeks now, things seem to hone in on just staring the process of the generative model in the face, so to speak. Sits are ususally shorter, having gone from my usual of 70 to 100 minutes during the last 2 1/2 years to 30 to 45 minutes, and something like "attention waves" have become much more to the front. That "observation" is really a back and forth (or seeming back and forth) happening in the sensate flux. Wich theoretically and, well, partially experientally has been obvious for some time, but rarely showed up in this kind of matter of factness and simplicity for long stretches of time. That sensations stand for themselves is one thing, the question then is how much that obviousness has permeated the field or is still the anecdotal thing of the cutting edge of practice. The little streaks of sensate patterns hastagged "me" appear much clearer as the momentary and very, very incomplete patterns they are, the flux is showing up much more in that "boy is this flickering incomplete in terms of implying a complete, existentially continuous human body, a complete outer world from moment to moment" kinda way. It feels like something is about to happen, some shift on the horizon. Given that I bobbed in and out and around EQ for seven months prior to SE, this could be WAY off, but it rarely felt that... close to something. The whole idea of clinging and how identification is bound up with that shows up clearer as the sensate components just change, change, change. That internal image of face and the thought following after is to be the recepient of those tingly sensations? Really? Again, nothing revolutionary new, inklings of that, both seemingly small and super big big insight-y, have been happening all along, but it's like a quiet matter of factness just in the simple obviousness of the sensate flux that is new. As I have mentioned before, I never felt the need to tweak practice toward more inclusive frameworks or different search criteria, like some whole field Dzogchen/Mahamudra thing, or going from noticing sensations to five aggregates or six realms, it always seemed that jhanic states and noticing sensations led to the generative model feeding back on itself in that way on its own, going wide and inclusive and bridging the gap from observer/observed to just phenomena occuring by just that basic set up. 
So anyway, I have no idea wether this is gonna be untangling, some smaller or bigger partial shift in this grab bag of shifts, or maybe just a momentary interestingness that turns out to be neither, but it does seem to approach something where all the dharma makes sense on a deeper, and more simple, matter of fact kinda level. So incomplete. No center, no agency. No need to stop grasping because holding on isn't even possible. And while I was implicitly well, seeking the no self nature of the flux, right now it seems that frame is missing something, as the field seems to be much more accurately described as not self, not other. Sketches of both, as the momentariness might fall. No self implies a completeness, some absolute that lack of inherent existence does not support. Wich, again, is nothing revolutionary new, but somehow simpler and just so in the vibratory flux in its simple complexity in a way that it didn't show before. Interesting. 
So maybe in a few days or weeks I'm gonna announce that I just had some digestive trouble and just needed to pass wind, and will have made a fool of myself, who knows. It's quietly compelling right now. The popcorn machine at the tantric theater sure has some interesting flavors on the menu. 

 
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Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 3/5/25 7:50 AM
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Simple. This is the way.

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pixelcloud *, modified 1 Month ago at 3/7/25 5:04 AM
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Sensations do not happen to some of the sensations that occured before. The subject/object split hinges on the assumption or misperception that they do. 

"The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection; The water has no mind to retain their image."
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Martin V, modified 1 Month ago at 3/7/25 11:32 AM
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I had a teacher who said "one pixel on a screen cannot be watching another pixel," which must have pooped back into my head because of your screen name :-)
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RE: Not self, not other. Some practice tidbits.

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Pixels on a screen not being able to observer one another is such a good metaphor. And of course that's the idea behind that screen name. emoticon

The implications of sensations standing for themselves, it's so fascinating how obvious that can be in some ways, and so totally opaque in others until those parts of the field clarify themselves. Back of head not perceiving blue sky, yeah. But tiny sensate cascades of head, neck, thought, etc. that are momentarily hashtagged "me" not being affected by whatever craving craves or aversion does want to stop or ignorance seeks to tune out, in a word, selfing patterns not being able to be affected by other patterns because the selfing patterns have already changed and the craving patterns can never touch them since they also do their own thing and have already gone (wich is the best way I can phrase it right now), that is so DUH in a way, but was so hiding in plain sight. That's big right now. And comes with a major wave of chilling out. The dance of protecting self, feeling hurt, etc. all about these ephemeral patterns that are already gone? Funny. This doesn't feel done, but like some EQ-ish "close to some plane landing touch down" thing, where things are ok just so and gentle curiosity abounds.
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RE: Not self, not other. Some practice tidbits.

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Gradations of non-duality Or Etudes for Abuse of Language on Keyboard:

Earlier this evening, while sitting at a subway stop, there were the first minutes of a completely transient voxel-field. Far more "feather light and paper thin", to borrow a Shinzen-ism, than ever before. Before, non-dual-ish experiences where more like being in water, or gaseous, this time it was like every voxel was just empty sensation, blinking in and out of existence - for a given value of existence. The substance-ness of earlier "aquarium"  experiences showing up as volumetric sensory pixels all through, or seemingly all through. A state, some fluxing out into "more" non-dual, but an interestingly clear one. 

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