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Marino Klisovich, modified 15 Days ago at 3/9/25 10:58 AM
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Sudden loss of systematic knowledge

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Hello everybody,

I've had a strange experience of losing knowledge of doing things, in two occurrences: during my bathing and car wash. I have been practicing mettā meditation for almost two years. In that time, I have gained a lot of advancement in awareness and experiences of meditation. This time, during my regular bathing, I became lost in the middle of washing my body. Usually, I have a well-learned system of bathing that became an automatic thing in my consciousness. But now I have lost it! My whole body looked to me so large and full of details. My perception changed and I could no longer work systematically. Luckily I was able to revert to my systematic thinking and finish my bath.

My object of perception (my body) lost the usual dullness. It looked so much real and wonderful. The same thing happened again during the car wash. I was watching my father washing a car when suddenly snapped to this new consciousness. The whole car became so much more detailed and real. I tried to think how would I wash the car but I couldn't decide the way to wash it. I was definitely out of system thinking.

I'm very interested in exploring my new experience once again. I will continue to practice mettā and follow this path all the way to the end. Did anyone else have something similar?

May all beings be happy!

​​​​​​​love,
Marino
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Martin V, modified 15 Days ago at 3/9/25 12:31 PM
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That sounds lovely!

Yes, I have had similar experiences of the familiar becoming new and unknown without warning, and of the sense of not knowing how to do things. I think there is much to be learned from these experiences, not so much in terms of the content of the experiences as in the fact of the experiences, which is to say, what they imply about all experience. 

I also wanted to say that I really enjoy reading about your path. I don't think I have know some people who have done multi-month metta retreats and they reported great things, but I have never known anyone other than you who has used it as their main practice for years. 

Do you always use the same technique in your sits, or do you do different types of sits which all involve metta?
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Marino Klisovich, modified 14 Days ago at 3/10/25 2:00 AM
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I'm happy that you enjoy my writting! I'm following 100 Days podcast and reading the books of Osho and Venerable Bhikkhu Kaṭukurunde Ñāṇananda.

Yes, mettā is my main practice. I practice it every day, for a minnimun of two hours, in the form of mantra chanting. I don't use a regular meditation sits; rather, I combine sitting on a chair and walking. Mettā is bringing all wanted things from the Path (non-clinging, happiness, joy, relieff from suffering, etc.) and eliminating the unwanted things (depression, mental problems, anxiety, negative thoughts, anger, lust, etc.). Mettā is healing me psychologically and emotionally, to the point of not even remembering ever having mental illnesses; the very memory of my mental problems is erased by the process of mettā.

I think loving kindness is the means and the goal of the Eightfold Noble Path. 
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Martin V, modified 14 Days ago at 3/10/25 10:37 AM
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That sounds great!

I love to see people succeeding with approaches that I have not tried (or with approaches that I have tried without success). It tells me there are many options out there. 

I'm looking forward to reading more as you keep going. 
Olivier S, modified 14 Days ago at 3/10/25 5:43 PM
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O Love, chief among virtues
Love is endlessly praised as the most fundamental source of wellbeing, goodness and ethical action. 
For instance, the essential ethical principle of the new-testament and thus of Christianity, the Great Commandment, is to love. The most ancient gospel, that of Mark, 12, 29–31, where Jesus answers the question "What is the most important commandment?", actually starts with the Sh'ma, a foundational Hebrew prayer: 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” 
The other Gospels as well as other new-testament sections reiterate this, with John, 15:12: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you" and again, 17: "This is my command: Love each other." Corinthians, 1:13: "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing [...]13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."
Song of songs, 8:6­–7: 
"Place me like a seal over your heart,
   like a seal on your arm;
for love is as strong as death,
   its ardor unyielding as the grave.
It burns like blazing fire,
   like a mighty flame. 
7 Many waters cannot quench love;
   rivers cannot sweep it away."
Buddhism also gives immense praise to the virtue of Love: "There is no greater virtue than practicing love everyday". Dhammapada 1:5: " Hatred is never ceased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is an eternal law." The Itivuttaka, 27, states that "In all the grounds for making worldly merit, none are worth a sixteenth part of the heart’s release by love. Surpassing them, the heart’s release by love shines and glows and radiates."
Some of the acquired benefits are cited by Nāgārjuna, in the Mahaprajñaparamita shastra (as quoted by Thich Nhat Hahn, 2007): "Practicing the mind of immeasurable love puts an end to anger in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the mind of immeasurable compassion puts an end to sorrow and torment in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the mind of immeasurable joy puts an end to sadness and grief in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the spirit of immeasurable equanimity puts an end to hatred, division and attachment in the hearts of living beings." 
These four — loving kindness, compassion, altruistic joy, and equanimity — are the four "immeasurables" and are often considered as indispensible aspects of "love" in Buddhism. In AN 11:16 we find that one who practices love sleeps easily, wakes easily, dreams no nightmares, is dear to human beings, dear to non-human beings, protected, gains concentration quickly, has a bright complexion, and... dies unconfused (among other more culturally specific benefits).
Practical ways to develop the immeasurables, Loving-kindness, Compassion, Joy, Equanimity, can be found in many good modern sources such as Thich Nhat Hahn's excellent Teachings on love. Traditional practical instructions can also be found in the discourse on love SN 1:8.

​​​​​​​ps: Well, I tried and that's the best formatting I can keep... 
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Chris M, modified 13 Days ago at 3/11/25 7:49 AM
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Olivier, if you paste your comment into DhO as a text-only file, the formatting will be fixed.
Olivier S, modified 13 Days ago at 3/11/25 10:28 AM
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Tried different things to no avail! A musical apology:

Love Divine, all loves excelling.
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Chris M, modified 13 Days ago at 3/11/25 11:34 AM
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I put Olivier's post in plain text format because I wanted to be able to read it. Here it is:

O Love, chief among virtues
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Love is endlessly praised as the most fundamental source of wellbeing, goodness and ethical action. For instance, the essential ethical principle of the new-testament and thus of Christianity, the Great Commandment, is to love. The most ancient gospel, that of Mark, 12, 29–31, where Jesus answers the question "What is the most important commandment?", actually starts with the Sh'ma, a foundational Hebrew prayer: 29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” The other Gospels as well as other new-testament sections reiterate this, with John, 15:12: "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you" and again, 17: "This is my command: Love each other." Corinthians, 1:13: "If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing [...]13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love."

Song of songs, 8:6­–7: 
"Place me like a seal over your heart,   
like a seal on your arm;
for love is as strong as death,   
its ardor unyielding as the grave.
It burns like blazing fire,  like a mighty flame. 
Many waters cannot quench love;   rivers cannot sweep it away."

Buddhism also gives immense praise to the virtue of Love: "There is no greater virtue than practicing love everyday". Dhammapada 1:5: " Hatred is never ceased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is an eternal law." The Itivuttaka, 27, states that "In all the grounds for making worldly merit, none are worth a sixteenth part of the heart’s release by love. Surpassing them, the heart’s release by love shines and glows and radiates."Some of the acquired benefits are cited by Nāgārjuna, in the Mahaprajñaparamita shastra (as quoted by Thich Nhat Hahn, 2007): "Practicing the mind of immeasurable love puts an end to anger in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the mind of immeasurable compassion puts an end to sorrow and torment in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the mind of immeasurable joy puts an end to sadness and grief in the hearts of living beings. Practicing the spirit of immeasurable equanimity puts an end to hatred, division and attachment in the hearts of living beings." 

​​​​​​​These four — loving kindness, compassion, altruistic joy, and equanimity — are the four "immeasurables" and are often considered as indispensible aspects of "love" in Buddhism. In AN 11:16 we find that one who practices love sleeps easily, wakes easily, dreams no nightmares, is dear to human beings, dear to non-human beings, protected, gains concentration quickly, has a bright complexion, and... dies unconfused (among other more culturally specific benefits). Practical ways to develop the immeasurables, Loving-kindness, Compassion, Joy, Equanimity, can be found in many good modern sources such as Thich Nhat Hahn's excellent Teachings on love. Traditional practical instructions can also be found in the discourse on love SN 1:8.
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Jure K, modified 12 Days ago at 3/12/25 8:50 PM
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Hey Marino,

I've had this happen to me too in the past a number of times but it presented itself a little bit differently maybe.

I was at home and finished a sit and went into the lounge where family were watching TV, I think it was a TED talk or something. As I continued watching I realised that I couldn't grasp what was being said, I could hear seperate words and they kinda made some sense seperately but the idea of what they were saying was just not coming up. This happened to me again while working and having a conversation with someone, luckily they were telling me a story so I was just smiling and nodding my head. But again there was no processing of information and there was no understanding coming up. Haha i kinda freaked out and promptly exited the lounge room at the time. While the experience at work left me thinking wtf was that the whole time I was at work.

​​​​​​​I could speculate on what it was but I like to think of it as another wonderful meditation related experience.

Peace ✌️ 

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