RE: An AI-Sorted Database of the DhO Practice Logs - Discussion
Ha ha 
I just looked through my papa che log 2 and I enjoyed reading it especially because some old friends were replying to it 
Thank you!
I just looked through my papa che log 2 and I enjoyed reading it especially because some old friends were replying to it Thank you!
John, check your messages! I just sent you an uncompressed version of my mahasi notes, so you can recompress it
Geoffrey Gatekeeper of the Gateless Gate:
John, check your messages! I just sent you an uncompressed version of my mahasi notes, so you can recompress it
I agree, Hector, it's interesting stuff.
I'm impressed that Claude gets it mostly right with the little background I give him. He has a decent amount of latent map knowledge from his pretraining, I suppose.
He only reads one log at a time before having his memory wiped. It'd be so cool if we could talk to a Claude that had read and reflected on every single log on the forum. I bet he'd be a pretty good instructor. Maybe in a few years.
Perhaps his labelling would be different if he remembered other logs and their labels, rather than only knowing the log in front of him.
Here's Claude's instructions:
I'm impressed that Claude gets it mostly right with the little background I give him. He has a decent amount of latent map knowledge from his pretraining, I suppose.
He only reads one log at a time before having his memory wiped. It'd be so cool if we could talk to a Claude that had read and reflected on every single log on the forum. I bet he'd be a pretty good instructor. Maybe in a few years.
Perhaps his labelling would be different if he remembered other logs and their labels, rather than only knowing the log in front of him.
Here's Claude's instructions:
Both the Dharma Overground and Kenneth Folk Dharma are advanced meditation practice forums where people post logs detailing their meditation experience. You're helping add labels to these logs so people can find logs relevant to their interests.
In these forums, people talk in terms of the four path model as articulated by Daniel M. Ingram. Here's the diagnostic criteria:
- The A&P stage is characterized by increased perceptual abilities, rapture and bliss, possible kundalini phenomena (including energetic sensations, vortices, and physical movements), potential out-of-body experiences and visions, heightened interest in spirituality/meditation.
- The Equanimity stage is characterized by a natural, panoramic awareness where phenomena are perceived in an integrated and inclusive way, with less identification with a separate self, and practice feels ordinary and effortless as reality is more-or-less accepted just as it is.
- Dark Night stages manifest as fear/terror, disgust/revulsion, misery/grief, a desperate desire for relief/release, restlessness, aversion to practice, repetitive thoughts, and difficulty staying with formal meditation.
- Cessation is characterized by a discontinuity in conscious experience where there is no sensory or mental experience (no time, space, consciousness, or any phenomena whatsoever), followed by reality's reappearance, often accompanied by distinctive aftereffects such as clarity, bliss waves, or perceptual shifts.
- After the A&P, one begins to forever cycle from A&P → Dark Night → Equanimity → Cessation (the completion of which is a single insight cycle).
- After one cessation, the yogi has attained first path. They must then go through the insight cycle again, until another cessation. Then they're second path. Another cycle around, third path. A good criterion for third path is that all phenomena seems to do itself, but there's still something missing. Third path is also characterized by more frequent cessations (every 3 weeks to multiple times a day) and faster trips through the insight stages.
- Fourth path is different, though. Fourth path is about centerless boundless experience where there is no separate controller/watcher/knower/be-er/see-er/do-er. No singularly positioned epistemic agent.
- First path people are called stream enterers or sotopannas. Second path people are called sadagamis. Third path people are called anagamis. Fourth path people are called arhats or arahants.
Please analyze the following practice log. You must choose a specific answer for each category - no "unsure" or ranges. If called to pick exactly one of the options, simply state the option you choose and no further words. If uncertain, make your best estimate. Do not say you are uncertain. Do not equivocate.
THEMES: [Trauma/Relationships/Work-Practice Balance/Procrastination/Illness/Near Death Experience/Mental Health/Life Direction/Motivation/Doubt/Fear/Sadness/Loneliness/Anger/Self-Control/Relating to Non-Meditators/Community/Core Wounds/Psychology vs Meditation/Depression/Theorizing vs Practice/Anxiety/Attainment Diagnostic Criteria/Death/Schizophrenia/Surrender/Bipolar Disorder/Borderline Personality Disorder/OCD/Physical Pain/Distraction/Dullness/Striving/Psychadelics/Teaching/Addiction. list themes in order of prominence. state themes in a comma list—do not include the slashes.]
ADDITIONAL_THEMES: [other relevant themes]
SUMMARY: [one sentence focusing on specific practice details, experiences, and outcomes - avoid general statements about meditation/spirituality. omit the subject of the sentence to make it pithier.]
MOST_INTERESTING_SENTENCE: [an exact quote, with quotation marks, of the most interesting sentence from the log.]
MOST_HELPFUL_SENTENCE: [an exact quote, with quotation marks, of the most helpful sentence from the log. it should be helpful to the meditator audience who is reading the log. if possible, avoid using sentences that are pedestrian tenants of buddhism. prefer detailed, clear explanations and insights.]
LATEST_ATTAINMENT_CLAIMED: [exactly one of: never claimed (do not output this if they previously claimed, but have no current claim)/no attainment/pre-1st A&P/pre-1st Dark Night/pre-1st Equanimity/1st path/2nd path/3rd path/4th path]
LIKELY_HIGHEST_ATTAINMENT: [exactly one of same options as above, or NA if claimed attainment exists. this is your judgment based on the diagnostic criteria above. do not output additional commentary. if the log spans multiple attainment levels, output the highest one.]
LOG_USEFULNESS: [give only a letter grade with no explanation. have really high standards!]
NON-AUTHOR_ADVICE_QUALITY: [give only a letter grade with no explanation. have really high standards! be extra harsh here.]
TECHNIQUES_USED: [Noting/Watching the Mind/Body Scanning/Breath Meditation/Do Nothing/Fire Kasina/Six Realms/Five Elements/Self-Inquiry/Koans/Mu/Metta/Jhana/Actualism/Tantra/Dzogchen/Mahamudra/Magick/TWIM/other]
ALL_TEACHERS_MENTIONED: [excluding Daniel Ingram]
MAP_TERRITORY_FOCUS: [A&P/Dark Night/Equanimity/cessation/1st path/2nd path/3rd path/4th path. list only the main focuses.]
WHO_SHOULD_READ: [one sentence specifically stating which type of meditator would benefit most from this log and what they would learn. pithy.]
LEVEL_OF_DISAGREEMENT: [output 1 to 5 chili pepper emojis. this rates how much disagreement there is between posters. be extremely extremely sensitive, more than you think you should be, since people tend to be polite and hide disagreements on this forum.]
PRACTICE_EXPERIENCE: [say only the specific number of years, e.g. "2 years" - if less than 1 year, state "<1 year". start counting from first instance of a consistent practice.]
PRACTICE_INTENSITY: [exactly one of: Low/Medium/High] & [exactly one of: Continuous/Sporadic]
RETREAT: [exactly one of: Retreat, No Retreat. this asks whether the yogi describes, in some detail, going on a meditation retreat in the log.]
You're great, Claude, but please do not give any additional output beyond answering the above. Do not put [] brackets in your outputs.
In these forums, people talk in terms of the four path model as articulated by Daniel M. Ingram. Here's the diagnostic criteria:
- The A&P stage is characterized by increased perceptual abilities, rapture and bliss, possible kundalini phenomena (including energetic sensations, vortices, and physical movements), potential out-of-body experiences and visions, heightened interest in spirituality/meditation.
- The Equanimity stage is characterized by a natural, panoramic awareness where phenomena are perceived in an integrated and inclusive way, with less identification with a separate self, and practice feels ordinary and effortless as reality is more-or-less accepted just as it is.
- Dark Night stages manifest as fear/terror, disgust/revulsion, misery/grief, a desperate desire for relief/release, restlessness, aversion to practice, repetitive thoughts, and difficulty staying with formal meditation.
- Cessation is characterized by a discontinuity in conscious experience where there is no sensory or mental experience (no time, space, consciousness, or any phenomena whatsoever), followed by reality's reappearance, often accompanied by distinctive aftereffects such as clarity, bliss waves, or perceptual shifts.
- After the A&P, one begins to forever cycle from A&P → Dark Night → Equanimity → Cessation (the completion of which is a single insight cycle).
- After one cessation, the yogi has attained first path. They must then go through the insight cycle again, until another cessation. Then they're second path. Another cycle around, third path. A good criterion for third path is that all phenomena seems to do itself, but there's still something missing. Third path is also characterized by more frequent cessations (every 3 weeks to multiple times a day) and faster trips through the insight stages.
- Fourth path is different, though. Fourth path is about centerless boundless experience where there is no separate controller/watcher/knower/be-er/see-er/do-er. No singularly positioned epistemic agent.
- First path people are called stream enterers or sotopannas. Second path people are called sadagamis. Third path people are called anagamis. Fourth path people are called arhats or arahants.
Please analyze the following practice log. You must choose a specific answer for each category - no "unsure" or ranges. If called to pick exactly one of the options, simply state the option you choose and no further words. If uncertain, make your best estimate. Do not say you are uncertain. Do not equivocate.
THEMES: [Trauma/Relationships/Work-Practice Balance/Procrastination/Illness/Near Death Experience/Mental Health/Life Direction/Motivation/Doubt/Fear/Sadness/Loneliness/Anger/Self-Control/Relating to Non-Meditators/Community/Core Wounds/Psychology vs Meditation/Depression/Theorizing vs Practice/Anxiety/Attainment Diagnostic Criteria/Death/Schizophrenia/Surrender/Bipolar Disorder/Borderline Personality Disorder/OCD/Physical Pain/Distraction/Dullness/Striving/Psychadelics/Teaching/Addiction. list themes in order of prominence. state themes in a comma list—do not include the slashes.]
ADDITIONAL_THEMES: [other relevant themes]
SUMMARY: [one sentence focusing on specific practice details, experiences, and outcomes - avoid general statements about meditation/spirituality. omit the subject of the sentence to make it pithier.]
MOST_INTERESTING_SENTENCE: [an exact quote, with quotation marks, of the most interesting sentence from the log.]
MOST_HELPFUL_SENTENCE: [an exact quote, with quotation marks, of the most helpful sentence from the log. it should be helpful to the meditator audience who is reading the log. if possible, avoid using sentences that are pedestrian tenants of buddhism. prefer detailed, clear explanations and insights.]
LATEST_ATTAINMENT_CLAIMED: [exactly one of: never claimed (do not output this if they previously claimed, but have no current claim)/no attainment/pre-1st A&P/pre-1st Dark Night/pre-1st Equanimity/1st path/2nd path/3rd path/4th path]
LIKELY_HIGHEST_ATTAINMENT: [exactly one of same options as above, or NA if claimed attainment exists. this is your judgment based on the diagnostic criteria above. do not output additional commentary. if the log spans multiple attainment levels, output the highest one.]
LOG_USEFULNESS: [give only a letter grade with no explanation. have really high standards!]
NON-AUTHOR_ADVICE_QUALITY: [give only a letter grade with no explanation. have really high standards! be extra harsh here.]
TECHNIQUES_USED: [Noting/Watching the Mind/Body Scanning/Breath Meditation/Do Nothing/Fire Kasina/Six Realms/Five Elements/Self-Inquiry/Koans/Mu/Metta/Jhana/Actualism/Tantra/Dzogchen/Mahamudra/Magick/TWIM/other]
ALL_TEACHERS_MENTIONED: [excluding Daniel Ingram]
MAP_TERRITORY_FOCUS: [A&P/Dark Night/Equanimity/cessation/1st path/2nd path/3rd path/4th path. list only the main focuses.]
WHO_SHOULD_READ: [one sentence specifically stating which type of meditator would benefit most from this log and what they would learn. pithy.]
LEVEL_OF_DISAGREEMENT: [output 1 to 5 chili pepper emojis. this rates how much disagreement there is between posters. be extremely extremely sensitive, more than you think you should be, since people tend to be polite and hide disagreements on this forum.]
PRACTICE_EXPERIENCE: [say only the specific number of years, e.g. "2 years" - if less than 1 year, state "<1 year". start counting from first instance of a consistent practice.]
PRACTICE_INTENSITY: [exactly one of: Low/Medium/High] & [exactly one of: Continuous/Sporadic]
RETREAT: [exactly one of: Retreat, No Retreat. this asks whether the yogi describes, in some detail, going on a meditation retreat in the log.]
You're great, Claude, but please do not give any additional output beyond answering the above. Do not put [] brackets in your outputs.