He is sharing podcasts and dharma teachings on Substack: https://substack.com/@gurunatan

His website in Portuguese: https://gurunatan.org/pt/cerca-de/
Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/gurunatan.bsky.social

I've known Natan for 7 years and have met him in person. He is an awesome dharma teacher and available to teach anyone interested. He is the heart son of Drubpon Gonpo Dorje Rinpoche and was authorized to teach Dzogchen by HH Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche (late head of the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism).

Hey B B,

Not to stir up any drama, but with regards to keeping things transparent on this forum:

Somewhat recently (within the last two or three months), Natan posted here within a period of 24 hours (or maybe a few days - my memory is fuzzy) and he was promptly banned for being rather aggressive towards a particular user (or two?). I'm not going to repeat what he said as I am not sure if his previous posts are deleted or not and I don't feel like digging through previous discussions within the DhO. 

Additonally, after he was banned, I believe you commented and mentioned that he has issues with alcohol consumption. I cannot remember if you mentioned other issues in his personal life, but alcohol was surely mentioned.

I am not saying that people shouldn't work with him since no person, enlightened or not, is absolutely sanitized, but, we should have a bit more information if we are choosing to follow someone's example or model ourselves after someone. 

In the case that I am being biased or unfair with this post, can you confirm whether Natan is honest and open about his flaws and limitations with prospective students during his one-on-one interactions? Is he open to sharing his foibles, setbacks, limitations, addicitons, reactive patterns, etc. upfront? Is he truly "upfront" with his personal issues in a human way, or does he try to come off as an ideal adherent to "The Dharma" by either leaving out those unsavory details about is life to appear sanitized, or rather including them to excuse his behavior ("I am allowed to behave this was because it's "crazy wisdom" and I already transcendent because I have the Tibetan endorsement to back me up")?


Additionally B B, what is your motivation for sharing this? How did working with him benefit you and your practice? Did Natan request an endorsement? Does Natan share the teachings without expectation of formal payment? How often is he available (per week or month), for how long, etc.? 

Apologies for the scrupulous questioning, but as mentioned above, Natan was banned rather quickly from this forum so it makes sense to be a bit more discriminatory in this instance...

In my opinion this guy has been promoted here enough times considering he was banned almost immediately. I do not think he should be promoted here anymore. Even with a formal apology, a detailed admission of his wrongdoing and the cultivation of a good track record on this forum I would still be uncomfortable with any promotional posts being made by him or for him. This isn't something we are looking for and you have already promoted him in the past. 

Answer A K D's questions and also just stop doing this. 

Abusive, alcoholic, half baked gurus are a dime a fucking dozen. There are plenty poor souls and desperate seekers out there to be grifted and taken advantage of. That isn't what people come to pragmatic dharma for. The man is welcome to get cleaned up and make a good account of himself. He is sincerely invited to do so but until he has done... Kindly... Give it up

He seemed like a sweetie when I watched one of his YouTube videos — so his arrogant rage on here was surprising. Here's the thread. 

​​​​​​​I'm not a fan. 

I'm not a fan, either.

But I'm not going to delete this topic. It's just a pointer to Natanguru's presence elsewhere, authored by BB, but the content is not here. I don't expect Natanguru himself to reappear on DhO, and he's certainly not welcome if he does. He's been banned. This topic was created in the appropriate place, and all who choose to ignore it can do that. Should it become a problem, I'll freeze it, but it isn't at risk of that now.

It's not a requirement for DhO members to like everything posted here. What kind of online community would we then be? Intolerant? Tyranny of the majority? That's not a premise upon which DhO was founded.

Think about it, please.

Chris M
DhO Moderator

The articles and podcasts on Substack are sufficient; no interaction with Natan is necessary.

The Path of the Dākinī: A Transformative Guide for Modern Practitioners

• Part 1
• Part 2
• Part 3
• Part 4
• Part 5
• Part 6
• Part 7

Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra

• He will be recording this in its entirety tomorrow, so people can get the mantra pronunciations.

Podcasts:

• Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra Ep. 1
• Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra Ep. 2

Subscribing on Substack is encouraged.

Rather than engaging with the members of this community, your first action is to use this community as a means to advertise a "product" further. Why shun your audience? Do you hate us so? Love thy neighbor as you love thy self. How would you feel if you had concerns, voiced them, and then were promptly ignored?

​​​​​​​Much love and hope we can all find harmony here

Please have patience. I'm in the process of composing a response to the above posts. No need to assume the worst.

Firstly, to anyone reading this right now, I suggest asking yourself, “Is this really the best use of my precious time?” To anyone feeling even the slightest hostility or dislike towards Natan or me, please don’t spend any further time on this and go meditate right now. I have no interest in riling anyone up or sowing discord, nor am I interested in selling a product or convincing anyone of anything. Please leave now.




Seriously, just leave.




The intention with this thread is merely to cast some seeds which may or may not land on fertile soil. Perhaps 1 in 1000 will stumble upon this, click on a link, and feel some resonance with Natan and his teachings. I’m under no illusions about this stuff being in any way suitable for a large audience.

Nevertheless, there are people that, perhaps due to karmic connections from past lives, feel an affinity for Natan and see him as a capable dharma teacher. I’m one such person, and having been taught by him for over 7 years now, I know perfectly well that he is a highly effective dharma teacher.

Out of some youthful idealism, I have sought to maximize the amount of benefit I can bring to people in this lifetime, and to that end, I have financially supported Natan as he has lived in Brazil so that he can freely offer dharma teachings to whomever shows an interest.

Now Natan has written a series of texts which he feels confident will stand on their own and do not even require him to enter a guru-disciple relationship with anyone. Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra is his magnum opus and perhaps the most sublime thing I’ve ever read. It has a marked effect on my perception just from reading it, doing the visualization and pronouncing the mantras. It is an incredibly profound distillation of experience and knowledge.

Admittedly, the digital format, and use of Substack, is not ideal. I intend to make it available via a print-on-demand service in future. The formatting could also be improved and there are some typos. Please bear with us regarding these minor issues.

I am pleased that my efforts have contributed to this text being made freely available to the world, and that Natan has for several years been able to dedicate his time to teaching the Buddhadharma. These circumstances are extremely rare and likely to be short-lived.

I’m pleased to let you know that I find your rhetorics of ordering people to leave if they have any aversion to you or your friend quite perplexing and would like to suggest you to ponder just what effect such talk has and, more importantly, why you felt the need to write so. 

Alright, well, if you must stay, definitely don't read Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra, because then you'd have an opportunity to achieve realization and that would be really annoying to me!!! Here is a picture of how I would look:

BB, it's clear the point of this thread is to convince someone of something. As I said earlier, at least this is in the correct topic category: selling something.

You're mistaken, Chris. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, nor am I selling anything. Natan and I are simply two guys who have benefitted from the Buddhadharma and we're now trying to give something back. Such simple generosity is not in keeping with the current degenerate era, so I can understand the cynicism. Some wariness is probably reasonable.

• My Issue with Alcoholism
• About My Background and Why My Visions Make Sense
• Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra (सुखासिद्धि सहज वज्र) (Recitation)

I'm not mistaken, BB, I'm just being honest about what's going on with you and this thread. It's okay. People post all kinds of stuff hoping, as you said up-thread, someone will take up with their cause. Why continue to deny it? 

There is no cause to take up here. There's nothing to convince anyone of because this Buddha nature can't be comprehended intellectually. The Sukhāsiddhiḥ Sahaja Vajra text is a form of direct introduction. People can read the text and do the visualization and recite the mantras, if they feel so inclined. If they aren't, that's perfectly fine. Buddhism has never been about proselytizing and I don't intend to break with tradition on this point.

Sweet irony.

Anyway, I'm going to leave you to it. Posting here only helps you get more views.

There's no irony here and no need to ascribe ill-intent. I'm simply vouching for Natan and recommending his texts and podcasts; I'm not trying to convince anyone of their value. In fact, let me state categorically, if anyone feels I'm trying to proselytize, please forget about this entirely and go back to your (hopefully) regular meditation practice.

Hi BB. I want to let you know that I read the Sukkhasiddha essay back when it was first posted and agree that the writing is profound. I've read his substack and  listened to his podcast and I think he's nuts, like truly certifiable, but I really think his writing on the dharma is worthy of a read. The resistance to your posts is most likely due to him being such an asshole on the thread that lead to his banning. I thought it was entertaining.Thank you for spreading the dharma. 

 I'd like to express my appreciation for this opportunity to give Natan's teachings a little more public exposure, and thanks to all, now and in the future, who have approached them with an open mind.

I suspect my posts here are reaching a natural conclusion. Briefly I'd also like to mention:

• There are several notes and podcasts on Substack now adding important details and responding to some comments from this thread.
• Anyone with questions or comments can use the subscriber chat function on Substack to contact Natan.