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John L, modified 22 Days ago at 4/24/25 8:26 PM
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John L. II: Failing Softly

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Hi everyone! My last log spanned from cold start to mature third path, including losing the sense of being able to focus or control attention at all. I've been doing non-meditation practice for seven months, in which my mind wanders with no technique, goal, or focus. When I attempt more effortful practices like self-inquiry or noting, they feel like an uncomfortable, unnecessary tension, and they fall away. If I try to do Michael Taft's dropping the ball practice, there isn't a ball for me to drop besides the painful feeling of looking for a ball.

I still feel subtle, peripheral clinging and restlessness. Sometimes it's exhausting. 

Between first and third path, I was quite impressed with how fast I was moving, as I traversed that territory in the span of a few months, and I had high expectations for being able to complete this project quickly. But life has a way of disappointing you. I've mellowed out a little, and I've begun to see it more as a lifestyle than a mission.

My practice isn't as regular as I'd like, but I take what I can get. When I take the bus to school, I sit in the gardens for 10 or 20 minutes and then walk an hour home in silence. It's a pretty good dose. But on other days, it's more of a toss-up. I'd love to form a nice proper habit, but so goes the tides of life. 

April 2, 2025
Feeling sad and restless. Is that the "one taste" those old guys were talking about?

Drinking up the sorrows of the world.

April 7, 2025
Letting go feels like you’re perpetually on the verge of becoming Bartleby the Scrivener, dropping out of society like a rock.

April 10, 2025
May all beings know meditation as easy as this.

April 16, 2025
I’m getting a weird rapture where I feel like I’m tasting everything with my tongue. Even sights and sounds. It’s a weird, sex-like, pleasurable intimacy with the world.

April 22, 2025
Shame.

April 24, 2025
I was reading Will G's great yarn when he reminded me of my own experience:

I still had some conceptual hang-ups over wether or not the senses were “fabricated”, which seemed relevant given that more often than not my entire experience would kind of “fade” as Rob Burbea describes as happening when things are seen as empty, and as is described in some of the old texts (one in particular that ends with “the monks didn’t rejoice,” can’t find it now). Culadasa’s framing of fabrication in TMI helped clear this up for me conceptually: all sensory information goes through the unconscious mind and some degree of processing before it reaches consciousness, and as such, is “fabricated”. Following this model, the way I think about the “fading” phenomenon is that things mostly remain in the unconscious when the attention faculty isn’t particularizing as frequently. So my theory is that this phase involved a kind of more consistent pacification of attention in daily life whenever possible, but only because it was still a subtle bearer of inherency, which was perceived as suffering. I think I easily could have gotten stuck here, because the ‘agent’ had been seen through, making any remaining effort of directing attention towards opportunities for insight seem unwarranted, and yet my default experience of the world was felt as a kind disappearance, and this didn’t sit right with me…

4th Path
…Gradually, over about two weeks of contemplation, a shift occurred in which no-mind experiences were no longer felt as a disappearance, because the flavour of presence had sort of become refined enough to permeate every sensation, and eventually completely merge with them.

When meditating, there's a cycle where I feel more present, and things are heavier and sharper. But then things will fade away, thin out, and there's no sense of presence. But there is still sensory perception — seeing, feeling, hearing — and non-verbal wandering thought. And then eventually stuff feels heavier and more substantial and reification returns. 

Now that I think about it, this is the latest version of the focused-diffuse cycle I've been feeling since day one. When I first started meditating, I'd focus on my object, and then pretty quickly my mind would wander and give way to an unpleasant, tense, diffuse fog. In the diffuse state, it felt like there was a subtle, peripheral, disempowered "me" that was struggling and squirming to try to refocus the mind. After stream entry, the diffuse state became much softer, and once I loosened my clinging to attention, it became very pleasant, more pleasant than the focused state. And now, with non-meditation, there's no cultivation of the focused state at all. But! — I'm realizing now — there's still cycling between subtle focus and diffuse attention. And the diffuse state has gotten really thin, really peaceful, really minimal, only a few neither-perceived-nor-non-perceived paintbrush strokes away from being dead. 

The wrong move here would be to say that the sharp is better than the diffuse, and then use effort or technique to try to defeat the diffuse once and for all. 
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Bahiya Baby, modified 22 Days ago at 4/25/25 3:24 AM
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RE: John L. II: Failing Softly

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Between first and third path, I was quite impressed with how fast I was moving, as I traversed that territory in the span of a few months, and I had high expectations for being able to complete this project quickly. But life has a way of disappointing you. I've mellowed out a little, and I've begun to see it more as a lifestyle than a mission.

It is sometimes useful to consult the Bhumi model (to add a little humility to ones humility). A traditional take would be that an Arhat is 8th Bhumi. 4th Bhumi being ceaseless compassion and non-duality. (I think generally 4th Bhumi lines up with how people talk about 4th path but only if one has very high standards for 4th path)

I'm going to say something kind of arrogant, so please forgive me, but, the training wheels don't even come off the bike until after third path. The previous paths are sprints compared to this. Not to undermine their significance but like post third is really a different ball game. So I feel that disappointment. I went from hotshot meditator to just another dharma bum pretty darn quick lol. 

(The shifts of previous paths are obviously hugely significant for people but in terms of "meditative fitness" post third requires one to be a different kind of beast. Not necessarily more technical but much, much more soft. )
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John L, modified 22 Days ago at 4/25/25 12:46 PM
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RE: John L. II: Failing Softly

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Yeah, Bahiya, I'm glad we can relate on this. After third, the path forward is much less obvious, and progress becomes slower. I can see how someone can get stuck here by insisting on a corralled and yoked mind. Progress gets more personal, less technical, as you need to confront your attachments and kiss them goodbye. And apparently there's a long stretch where there's nothing much to do, no obvious technical deficiencies, and you're forced to live your life like a normal human being for a while. 

When I first heard of people spending five or six years on third path, I assumed they had done something patently wrong, like they just never discovered the secret technique. I still think approach is a big factor, but I also think it can be totally necessary to spend that long cooking. 
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John L, modified 15 Days ago at 5/1/25 9:15 PM
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April 27, 2025
I had a classic Fear entrance today. I was turning a corner in my apartment when I half-visualized a bunch of bugs crawling all over my vision and my attention morphed toward the periphery. But I didn't get the thick, peripheral Fear hum that I used to.

April 27, 2025
I’m noticing a wax and wane in how panoramic my vision is during practice. Feels like backsliding, or maybe just another layer.

April 27, 2025
It's really funny: I used to experience random convulsions all the time, often as soon as I started to meditate. But over the past half year, these spasms have become rare. And yet, when I experience something stressful, like my assignment that was due today, I'll convulse for a while once the stress is over. It feels like I'm letting loose and shaking it off — it's great. I guess I had a couple of decades of tension to convulse through, and now that that's shaken out, I can convulse away new tension as it arises.

April 28, 2025
I've been feeling a sense of surrender and rest that comes from a sort of transpersonal and transtemporal identity, a recognition of the eternal recurrence of it all.

April 29, 2025
And now that prior entry feels silly.

April 30, 2025
Lots of cessations today. About seven so far.

I frequently have this experience where I’m absentmindedly looking at something, and then this reversal occurs between me and the thing, such that I feel like I’m looking back on myself. It’s a little jarring. Sometimes there’s a darker, complicated visual image overlaid onto the thing I’m looking at. But I’m just realizing that that’s probably a no-self door cessation. I’m pretty slow on the uptake of this phenomenology stuff, lol.

April 30, 2025
My big conclusion these days is this: whatever you’re doing, you’re more effective at it when you’re enjoying yourself. And enjoyment comes from an unreasonable surrender of all management. [Inspired by Joe Hudson.]

April 30, 2025
It’s finals, it’s absolutely go time, and I’m just chilling pretty hard, luxuriously hard. Starting to get the yips about it!

April 30, 2025
Had an intense bout of meditation today after eating my pasta. I went spontaneously nonverbal at the dining table and had several cessations. Girlfriend walked in and stood beside me and I didn’t react. Usual sessions feel like “I’m just chilling here” but this one feels like I was a headless chicken, zero willfulness behind it all. I flinched in connection with some of the cessations. 
 
I'm not sure if this was a cessation, but I think it was: I moved to the couch, and I had my feet up where I could see them. Attention concentrated on a single point on my big toe, and then I felt awareness rip itself apart, with the ripping emanating from my big toe. And then awareness returned from being ripped apart. 
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John L, modified 15 Days ago at 5/2/25 1:14 AM
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If anyone ever finds a way to force themselves to do something, please let me know. emoticon
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John L, modified 9 Days ago at 5/8/25 5:39 AM
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RE: John L. II: Failing Softly

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May 1, 2025
"How can I enjoy this more?" is a fun inquiry question. 

May 4, 2025
I’ve downshifted from non-meditation to Dropping the Ball because of finals procrastination stress. That technique become accessible again, all the sudden. It wasn't a conscious choice to change the technique; it just happened.

May 5, 2025
It's nice to be back in Dropping the Ball land; it makes me feel like I'm "getting somewhere." Hm…

May 5, 2025
Anatta got me into this mess, anatta will get me out of it.

May 7, 2025 
Lots of difficult fear in the process of procrastinating about, and then studying for, these exams. But I reckon it’s as insightful as any meditation retreat. Being able to “not lift a finger” throughout this process, and instead just continuously relax, is really nice and really insightful. 

When I lean in and say, you know, this is me, this is how I study for these exams, and I totally own that, it feels great. It feels like I love myself, like all these tendencies are totally adorable. Taking my exam today was an ecstatic experience, because I just loved what was happening. Not because I was doing it perfectly, but because I was doing it in a way that was totally me. 

Love and acceptance seem like approximately the same thing! Now it makes sense why metta is so insightful. 

May 7, 2025 
If someone criticizes me, there’s an impulse to either immediately reject the criticism to avoid feeling shame, or to immediately agree with the criticism to fix myself and return to grace.  

But there’s a third option: non-clinging; relaxing in the face of criticism. This is scary, since you think if you relax, you’ll either not learn, or you’ll have to feel painful emotion. I think this fear is unfounded, though. Remaining relaxed and open is the best way to learn and the best way to be happy amid the complexity. And if you’re avoiding shame, you’re already in shame. 

If you want to do something more, or do something better, find a way to do it while happy and relaxed. If you are happy and relaxed amid criticism, you will be better at taking criticism. 

Moreover, there’s often no ultimately true answer about whether what you did is right or wrong. It’s less about objective truth and more about the social dynamics of the situation. It calls for emotional attunement, and not so much for logical decisiveness.
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John L, modified 16 Hours ago at 5/16/25 9:48 PM
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May 12, 2025
It’s been a couple days since finals ended. It was a nail-biter, but I guess that’s my style. I’m mostly back to non-meditation, but sometimes I’ll still feel a tension ball drop. Formal practice hasn’t resumed but that’s not my problem.

Watching a movie and eating fast food today to recuperate. When I placed my order, my voice sounded as alien as someone else’s.

May 14, 2025
Back in no-technique territory. It feels very ordinary. Sometimes it feels like I never meditated at all, just because of how plain it is.

The mundanity is scary at times. The fear is that I’m just spinning my wheels, and l’ll be stuck with this tiresome perception forever. Case in point, when I was thinking the words for this post, I lurched upright in bed and gasped so loud that I woke up my girlfriend.

May 15, 2025
Emerged from my slumber for some walking meditation. I'm inquiring about whether my perception really is tiresome, and if so, when and why.

The cause seems to be resistance and my expectations about how the world should be arranged. So the situation seems to call for further relaxation, acceptance, and unadorned being, rather than some mind-cracking practice. In truth, I feel like there is no alternative to this relaxation; I don't think my mind will tolerate anything else.

May 16, 2025
I think this is what I’ve been digesting: there is no deeper seeing that needs to occur during meditation than during the rest of life.

May 16, 2025
I no longer notice any cycling between particularized and faded attention.
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Chris M, modified 7 Hours ago at 5/17/25 7:12 AM
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Expectations... yeah. The room we awaken to is the same room we've lived in all along. 

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