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When I awaken then … Papa Che Dusko 6/16/25 6:09 AM
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RE: When I awaken then … Papa Che Dusko 6/17/25 7:04 PM
RE: When I awaken then … Bahiya Baby 6/18/25 6:43 AM
RE: When I awaken then … Martin V 6/17/25 11:33 PM
RE: When I awaken then … Papa Che Dusko 6/18/25 5:48 AM
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RE: When I awaken then … shargrol 6/19/25 6:16 AM
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RE: When I awaken then … A K D 6/23/25 8:19 AM
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 6:09 AM
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When I awaken ... no bad things will happen to me! 
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Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 6:42 AM
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Are you... trying to draw fire? Make a joke? Be mischievous?

Do tell!
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Jim Jam, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 3:42 PM
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This feels to me like a classic Papa Che dharma-pointing joke, but I'm also curious. 

If that's the case I can just imagine him smiling with his lager as he posted this. Could be wrong, though. 

papa, do tell!
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Robert L, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 8:49 PM
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When I find enlightenment...it'll be in the last place I look!
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/17/25 10:13 AM
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When I awaken, everyone will like me! 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/17/25 10:19 AM
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One more before I start my evening shift! 

When I awaken, my farts will smell of Jasmin! 
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Chris M, modified 1 Month ago at 6/17/25 3:46 PM
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You'll win a Grammy
Your kids will become superstar athletes and geniuses
You will marry a billionaire
Your shit will not stink
You will be appointed the Board president of the world's most prestigious aquarium
You will never, ever get sick again
You will feel nothing - you'll be totally numb to suffering
You will inherit more billions from a total stranger
You will be the envy of the dharma world, loved and respected by all
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/17/25 7:04 PM
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When I awaken, I will be far better than my teacher! 

I will also be better than Bahiya! 
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Martin V, modified 1 Month ago at 6/17/25 11:33 PM
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When I awaken then … I'll brush my teeth and make some coffee. 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/18/25 5:48 AM
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When I awaken then ... I will go on holidays! 
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Bahiya Baby, modified 1 Month ago at 6/18/25 6:43 AM
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Papa, in many regards you're probably better than me already. 

The thing is I'm not enlightened and the gods bow before me, women weep with ecstacy as I pass them in the street and all the woodland creatures clamber about themselves to bring me little gifts of fungi and flower blossoms. 

I hope when I am enlightened I'm a little more available to pay forward all that I've been given. 

Also I'll just become some cult guy so I don't have to do my job anymore. I thought I was above being a cult guy. But I'm not. I don't want to work a 9-5. Hari rama here we go. 
Robert L, modified 1 Month ago at 6/18/25 7:09 AM
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When I awaken...I will be shunned and people will write articles about why I am completely delusional!
shargrol, modified 29 Days ago at 6/19/25 6:16 AM
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When I awaken, I'll find myself falling asleep again and then wake up again. Many times. When will I learn to stay awake?

EDIT: actually... It's interesting. While the motivation to "stay awake" has a lot of merit, it actually becomes not-the-middle-path in the extreme. It's clear that the mind needs both the conscious and unconscious to be healthy. The unconscious incubates, the conscious discovers. No unconscious incubation, nothing new to discover. No conscious discovery, the unconscious become bloated and festers.

It isn't really a matter of completely shining light into the unconscious and always being awake --- that's a kind of naive idealism/demonization of consciousness/unconsiousness, that's creating yet another dualistic split and favoring one side of the split and identifying with it. It's important to have the interaction between dream/fantasy and be awake/objectivity.

It's so interesting at how even dharmic ideas can be corrupted.

There is a middle path, not between extremes but beyond believing the solidity of mapping-reality-using-extremes. 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 29 Days ago at 6/19/25 8:07 PM
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When I awaken then ... I will bomb Iran ... in two weeks! 
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Bahiya Baby, modified 29 Days ago at 6/19/25 10:42 PM
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When I awaken I will stop ordering pad thai instead of cooking.

When I awaken I will stop being such a reclusive weirdo.

When I awaken I will stop working a job I hate.

When I awaken I will stop being better than Papa. 

When I awaken I will stop being boring and sober all the time.

When I awaken I will stop taking myself so seriously. 

When I awaken I will stop standing by while humanity are opressed under the tyranny of the global control system.

When I awaken I will stop taking geopolitics seriously.

When I awaken I will stop awakening.

​​​​​​​When I awaken I will stop.

... Probably not but it's a lovely little dream.
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 27 Days ago at 6/21/25 11:11 AM
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When I awaken, then I will be without sin, and I will be the one who will be the first to cast the stone! 
kettu, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 3:29 AM
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I saw a being 
a very wise being
and i knew this being will teach me good
clear and still without ill will  and I don’t get why i’m not such yet

oh this being is gonna wake me up...

(Edited Autocorrect-typo)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfoKtDs0XE&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 26 Days ago at 6/22/25 5:26 PM
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A MILF??
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 26 Days ago at 6/22/25 5:31 PM
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When I awaken, then I will be better than Shargrol! 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 26 Days ago at 6/22/25 5:42 PM
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When I awaken, I will be like a robot! Higly awakened, tip top programmed into seeing things as they really are!!! WRAHHHHHH!!! 
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Bahiya Baby, modified 26 Days ago at 6/22/25 9:04 PM
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Sensations are awareness--you are the experience, not just some part of it. 

When I awaken the barber will cut my hair. 
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A K D, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 8:19 AM
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Maybe a few positive perspectives to inspire some discussion:

When I awaken, I'd be hesitant to trade the attainment for world peace because it is so good: 
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/en/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5385352#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_5390862​​​​​​​
Daniel Ingram states this towards the bottom of the linked message/post.

When I awaken, moment to moment existence will be a paradise: 
https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/04/why-awakening-is-so-worth-it.html
The author, Soh Wei Yu, posts on here from time to time as well.
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Chris M, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 9:27 AM
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What kind of discussion are you hoping for, A K D?
kettu, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 10:20 AM
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Meditation/Master I'd Like to Follow?
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A K D, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 11:57 AM
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Hmmm, that's a good question... The overall feel of the thread was hinting at what enlightenment isn't, in a manner that is both true, but also tongue in cheek (we are in the Humor category, after all). emoticon

I suppose I was trying to inspire examples out of folks on here, that also highlight what is genuinely "special" about enlightenment or "special" about being on the path. 

It's often stated that awakening/enlightenment is completely ordinary, but at the same time, it is still mystical in a sense (or else there wouldn't be anything to talk about and this forum would be unnecessary). It's worth working hard in order to gain your salvation (Buddha's last words), yet there is nowhere to go, nothing to achieve. It's basic sanity, yet it's more than just acknowledging that your nose may be itching.

On one hand, it is extremely skillful to be realistic about the lofty expectations or projections that people may have regarding enlightenment, but at the same time, it loses some of the juiciness and inspiration when we say that there isn't anything "special" to be found. 

No, awakening may not make anyone a rockstar, but there seems to be something special about it beyond just making coffee, getting haircuts, and itchy noses... Yes, maybe we are just blind individuals attempting to describe an elephant, and although it's just an elephant, isn't the elephant still special in a way? emoticon 
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Chris M, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 1:18 PM
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I'd urge you to start a topic in a more appropriate category and try to generate a conversation about this. You bring up some interesting points about how folks talk about awakening versus how they actualy experience it. There's a lot in that area to unpack.
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A K D, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 2:02 PM
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Thank you Chris - I will bow out of this thread now, since, upon reflection after my initial post, I also feel my contribution wasn't quite aligned with the overall intent of the topic. That said, I don't feel as motivated to start a new topic, so maybe it's best to let sleeping dogs lie... unless someone else wants to start such a topic emoticon

Apologies for the diversion!
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 5:59 PM
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I agree with Chris! You do ask some good questions here! 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 25 Days ago at 6/23/25 6:00 PM
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One day, in the future, I will awaken and all be just great for me! (What about the direct path?)
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 24 Days ago at 6/24/25 6:04 AM
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When I awaken I will be uncertain. 
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Pepe ·, modified 24 Days ago at 6/24/25 9:51 AM
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When I awaken... I'll write a book.
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 24 Days ago at 6/24/25 6:29 PM
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LOL emoticon Ha ha! Nice one! 
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 20 Days ago at 6/28/25 12:52 PM
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Yo sharlgrol emoticon where is thy book me lad??? I mean you keep being awakened and we keep on waiting for the bleedn' book! emoticon C'mon! 
Georg S, modified 20 Days ago at 6/28/25 4:38 PM
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When I awaken ... I'll share a taco, or two with you
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Papa Che Dusko, modified 18 Days ago at 6/30/25 5:11 PM
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George, you little piece of ... emoticon Good to see ya! 
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When I awaken I will be compassionate 
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I will be full of it! 

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