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Papa Che Dusko, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 6:09 AM
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This feels to me like a classic Papa Che dharma-pointing joke, but I'm also curious.
If that's the case I can just imagine him smiling with his lager as he posted this. Could be wrong, though.
papa, do tell!
If that's the case I can just imagine him smiling with his lager as he posted this. Could be wrong, though.
papa, do tell!
Robert L, modified 1 Month ago at 6/16/25 8:49 PM
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You'll win a Grammy
Your kids will become superstar athletes and geniuses
You will marry a billionaire
Your shit will not stink
You will be appointed the Board president of the world's most prestigious aquarium
You will never, ever get sick again
You will feel nothing - you'll be totally numb to suffering
You will inherit more billions from a total stranger
You will be the envy of the dharma world, loved and respected by all
Your kids will become superstar athletes and geniuses
You will marry a billionaire
Your shit will not stink
You will be appointed the Board president of the world's most prestigious aquarium
You will never, ever get sick again
You will feel nothing - you'll be totally numb to suffering
You will inherit more billions from a total stranger
You will be the envy of the dharma world, loved and respected by all
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Papa, in many regards you're probably better than me already.
The thing is I'm not enlightened and the gods bow before me, women weep with ecstacy as I pass them in the street and all the woodland creatures clamber about themselves to bring me little gifts of fungi and flower blossoms.
I hope when I am enlightened I'm a little more available to pay forward all that I've been given.
Also I'll just become some cult guy so I don't have to do my job anymore. I thought I was above being a cult guy. But I'm not. I don't want to work a 9-5. Hari rama here we go.
The thing is I'm not enlightened and the gods bow before me, women weep with ecstacy as I pass them in the street and all the woodland creatures clamber about themselves to bring me little gifts of fungi and flower blossoms.
I hope when I am enlightened I'm a little more available to pay forward all that I've been given.
Also I'll just become some cult guy so I don't have to do my job anymore. I thought I was above being a cult guy. But I'm not. I don't want to work a 9-5. Hari rama here we go.
Robert L, modified 29 Days ago at 6/18/25 7:09 AM
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When I awaken...I will be shunned and people will write articles about why I am completely delusional!
shargrol, modified 28 Days ago at 6/19/25 6:16 AM
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When I awaken, I'll find myself falling asleep again and then wake up again. Many times. When will I learn to stay awake?
EDIT: actually... It's interesting. While the motivation to "stay awake" has a lot of merit, it actually becomes not-the-middle-path in the extreme. It's clear that the mind needs both the conscious and unconscious to be healthy. The unconscious incubates, the conscious discovers. No unconscious incubation, nothing new to discover. No conscious discovery, the unconscious become bloated and festers.
It isn't really a matter of completely shining light into the unconscious and always being awake --- that's a kind of naive idealism/demonization of consciousness/unconsiousness, that's creating yet another dualistic split and favoring one side of the split and identifying with it. It's important to have the interaction between dream/fantasy and be awake/objectivity.
It's so interesting at how even dharmic ideas can be corrupted.
There is a middle path, not between extremes but beyond believing the solidity of mapping-reality-using-extremes.
EDIT: actually... It's interesting. While the motivation to "stay awake" has a lot of merit, it actually becomes not-the-middle-path in the extreme. It's clear that the mind needs both the conscious and unconscious to be healthy. The unconscious incubates, the conscious discovers. No unconscious incubation, nothing new to discover. No conscious discovery, the unconscious become bloated and festers.
It isn't really a matter of completely shining light into the unconscious and always being awake --- that's a kind of naive idealism/demonization of consciousness/unconsiousness, that's creating yet another dualistic split and favoring one side of the split and identifying with it. It's important to have the interaction between dream/fantasy and be awake/objectivity.
It's so interesting at how even dharmic ideas can be corrupted.
There is a middle path, not between extremes but beyond believing the solidity of mapping-reality-using-extremes.
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When I awaken I will stop ordering pad thai instead of cooking.
When I awaken I will stop being such a reclusive weirdo.
When I awaken I will stop working a job I hate.
When I awaken I will stop being better than Papa.
When I awaken I will stop being boring and sober all the time.
When I awaken I will stop taking myself so seriously.
When I awaken I will stop standing by while humanity are opressed under the tyranny of the global control system.
When I awaken I will stop taking geopolitics seriously.
When I awaken I will stop awakening.
When I awaken I will stop.
... Probably not but it's a lovely little dream.
When I awaken I will stop being such a reclusive weirdo.
When I awaken I will stop working a job I hate.
When I awaken I will stop being better than Papa.
When I awaken I will stop being boring and sober all the time.
When I awaken I will stop taking myself so seriously.
When I awaken I will stop standing by while humanity are opressed under the tyranny of the global control system.
When I awaken I will stop taking geopolitics seriously.
When I awaken I will stop awakening.
When I awaken I will stop.
... Probably not but it's a lovely little dream.
Papa Che Dusko, modified 25 Days ago at 6/21/25 11:11 AM
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When I awaken, then I will be without sin, and I will be the one who will be the first to cast the stone!
kettu, modified 24 Days ago at 6/23/25 3:29 AM
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I saw a being
a very wise being
and i knew this being will teach me good
clear and still without ill will and I don’t get why i’m not such yet
oh this being is gonna wake me up...
(Edited Autocorrect-typo)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfoKtDs0XE&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
a very wise being
and i knew this being will teach me good
clear and still without ill will and I don’t get why i’m not such yet
oh this being is gonna wake me up...
(Edited Autocorrect-typo)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCfoKtDs0XE&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
Papa Che Dusko, modified 24 Days ago at 6/22/25 5:26 PM
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When I awaken, I will be like a robot! Higly awakened, tip top programmed into seeing things as they really are!!! WRAHHHHHH!!!
Bahiya Baby, modified 24 Days ago at 6/22/25 9:04 PM
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Sensations are awareness--you are the experience, not just some part of it.
When I awaken the barber will cut my hair.
When I awaken the barber will cut my hair.
A K D, modified 24 Days ago at 6/23/25 8:19 AM
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Maybe a few positive perspectives to inspire some discussion:
When I awaken, I'd be hesitant to trade the attainment for world peace because it is so good:
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/en/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5385352#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_5390862
Daniel Ingram states this towards the bottom of the linked message/post.
When I awaken, moment to moment existence will be a paradise:
https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/04/why-awakening-is-so-worth-it.html
The author, Soh Wei Yu, posts on here from time to time as well.
When I awaken, I'd be hesitant to trade the attainment for world peace because it is so good:
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/en/discussion/-/message_boards/message/5385352#_com_liferay_message_boards_web_portlet_MBPortlet_message_5390862
Daniel Ingram states this towards the bottom of the linked message/post.
When I awaken, moment to moment existence will be a paradise:
https://www.awakeningtoreality.com/2021/04/why-awakening-is-so-worth-it.html
The author, Soh Wei Yu, posts on here from time to time as well.
Chris M, modified 23 Days ago at 6/23/25 9:27 AM
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Hmmm, that's a good question... The overall feel of the thread was hinting at what enlightenment isn't, in a manner that is both true, but also tongue in cheek (we are in the Humor category, after all). 
I suppose I was trying to inspire examples out of folks on here, that also highlight what is genuinely "special" about enlightenment or "special" about being on the path.
It's often stated that awakening/enlightenment is completely ordinary, but at the same time, it is still mystical in a sense (or else there wouldn't be anything to talk about and this forum would be unnecessary). It's worth working hard in order to gain your salvation (Buddha's last words), yet there is nowhere to go, nothing to achieve. It's basic sanity, yet it's more than just acknowledging that your nose may be itching.
On one hand, it is extremely skillful to be realistic about the lofty expectations or projections that people may have regarding enlightenment, but at the same time, it loses some of the juiciness and inspiration when we say that there isn't anything "special" to be found.
No, awakening may not make anyone a rockstar, but there seems to be something special about it beyond just making coffee, getting haircuts, and itchy noses... Yes, maybe we are just blind individuals attempting to describe an elephant, and although it's just an elephant, isn't the elephant still special in a way?

I suppose I was trying to inspire examples out of folks on here, that also highlight what is genuinely "special" about enlightenment or "special" about being on the path.
It's often stated that awakening/enlightenment is completely ordinary, but at the same time, it is still mystical in a sense (or else there wouldn't be anything to talk about and this forum would be unnecessary). It's worth working hard in order to gain your salvation (Buddha's last words), yet there is nowhere to go, nothing to achieve. It's basic sanity, yet it's more than just acknowledging that your nose may be itching.
On one hand, it is extremely skillful to be realistic about the lofty expectations or projections that people may have regarding enlightenment, but at the same time, it loses some of the juiciness and inspiration when we say that there isn't anything "special" to be found.
No, awakening may not make anyone a rockstar, but there seems to be something special about it beyond just making coffee, getting haircuts, and itchy noses... Yes, maybe we are just blind individuals attempting to describe an elephant, and although it's just an elephant, isn't the elephant still special in a way?

Chris M, modified 23 Days ago at 6/23/25 1:18 PM
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I'd urge you to start a topic in a more appropriate category and try to generate a conversation about this. You bring up some interesting points about how folks talk about awakening versus how they actualy experience it. There's a lot in that area to unpack.
A K D, modified 23 Days ago at 6/23/25 2:02 PM
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Thank you Chris - I will bow out of this thread now, since, upon reflection after my initial post, I also feel my contribution wasn't quite aligned with the overall intent of the topic. That said, I don't feel as motivated to start a new topic, so maybe it's best to let sleeping dogs lie... unless someone else wants to start such a topic 
Apologies for the diversion!

Apologies for the diversion!
Papa Che Dusko, modified 23 Days ago at 6/23/25 5:59 PM
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One day, in the future, I will awaken and all be just great for me! (What about the direct path?)
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Yo sharlgrol
where is thy book me lad??? I mean you keep being awakened and we keep on waiting for the bleedn' book!
C'mon!

