A baseline state of bliss - Discussion
Paweł K:
The amount of suffering going in in my head pre 'wherever i find my current baseline' VS post 'wherever i find my current baseline' was quite substantial. The drop in suffering levels trumps the previous 'most-of-my life-baseline'. I would not go back to the previous baseline if i had a choice and if i found myself there somehow again, i'd do everything in my power to return to where i currently find myself, and i dont consider my path 'done' yet.
before dharma and other changes my baseline was definitely worse than it is now but it wasn't THAT bad either. I had pull to dharma because I like improvement and my take was that if there is unconscious suffering then sooner or later I would be aware of it and wanted to do something before that happened. Similarly I improved my eyesight with eye-techniques even when my sight wasn't all that bad technically speaking (just colors sucked balls compared to now)
Dukkha I experienced not before but after dwelling with spirituality, and there were a lot of Dukkha
Maybe you had different configuration of your pre-dharma state than most people, have you thought about it that way?
Maybe. But that doesnt change what i said. One's view of how things were and are now condition what one says and does. I still view post whatver baseline is current to trump pre. Why else would i be involved in all this baseline shifting business? If it wasn't like so, then perhaps id say stuff like you have said.
The concept of 'bliss' can mean different things to different people. The 'bliss' of absence of that which triggered endless revolving thoughtloops of suffering is highly recommended
most common bliss is just sweet sensations that come out of chakras and go inside every part of my body and mind which I just love but such blissful sensation have to be fresh to be good. If it is used constantly without cessation it will get unfresh and become dukkha. So cessation of bliss is what I train to do and I get pretty good at it, I can do complete cessation of any bliss in body in a matter of seconds. After it bliss is much fresher and way more pleasurable.
Interestingly enough the same is true for pain. If I treat pain as bliss and do the same it also works
One's view conditions one's experience. Your view on the concept of 'bliss' will also condition how you use it, what you want to convey to others about it and how you go about practicing to either cultivate or avoid it. Here you are perhaps referring to vedana (feeling tone) of a certain degree of pleasant as 'bliss'? I call the purposeful shifting of the usually automatic reading of vedana as hacking vedana.
How would the field of experience be experienced if one simple put down the immense weight of i-making, which is where all mental stress finds its foothold? There are types of 'bliss' that are still wrapped up and triggered by simply more i-making. Which type of bliss are you after, the bliss of absence or the bliss of simply more (refined) i-making?
if by I-making you understand hard problem of self that buddhist want gone so badly then no, I do not longer have any issue with self. It was solved instantly upon sudden realization that was closest thing I got to enlightenment. It was solved not by self vanishing but by finding it's rightful place in my mind which is flow of kundalini created the moment self is gone. And place where I stupidly thought self was supposed to be is just place of flowing kundalini. What I have to do to stay in this great state is not to try to hold kundalini because it will recreate self. I have to let everything through all the time. Ok, there is no I, as I is in this flowing kundalini and what is letting kundalini through is no-self which is actually also influenced by action of self. Influenced and not controlled. It is kinda obvious in neuron-network based perception which is also the one that I use to do cessation of bliss and blockades if they happen and they still happen occasionally.
You and i have differing views on what we want out of our paths. No biggie. Whatever works for our own conditioning.
Is it complicated mess what I just wrote? 
To me it is simplest explanation of how my mind work right now
To me it is simplest explanation of how my mind work right now
Again, whatever works for your own conditioning.
BTW. this place is the same place where there is a 'brilliant light' during A&P. Hope this helps anyone find it. I assume people have such places because if they have self they have to have them
The great thing about the DhO is that people can explore and see for themselves all the differing practices and viewpoints people here have to offer and not take anyone's view or explanation of their experience for granted. See for yourself.
Experiment jinxed!