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Third eye pressures
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1/17/14 3:32 AM
I took the initiation for Kriya Yoga on June of 2011 followed by a 4 days retreat, at the end of which I've been accompanied with a rather strong pressure in the forehead that has never gone off since then.

Pressures in the forehead then became very strong and uncomfortable. At times it was like a extremly concentrated point was pulsating in my forehead. I have recognized various patterns of energy moving : sometimes on left side, sometimes on right side, sometimes pulsating on both sides alternatively.

Also, at the end of 2012, I experimented for a few months very strong dizziness, with the sensation of flush of dizzy energy in my head. I had them everytime I would sit or stand up or bend, especially in the evening with the fatigue of the day.

Sometimes I do not feel it for days, or just slightly and not enough for it to bother me. But sometimes it's just too strong to be ignored and it's exhausting.

When pressures hit hard, I became irritated, angry and emotionally unbalanced. It's like it is sucking my energy and don't have any more patience for everything else.
When I don't feel it or I can ignore it, I feel ok, energized and much more balanced. I feel happy, like nothing can touch me and life feels great.

Doing Anapanasati, at first it's strong due to concentration at the tip of the nose (I guess because it's near third eye), but eventually rapture and bliss spaces it out and it becomes sweeter and lighter.

But those pressures days bring with them irritation, anger and strong burst of emotions.

Is that normal? Can I expect it to go? Can it be related to some sort of cycle I'm going through?
I can't help but fear it will last for the rest of my life.

RE: Third eye pressures
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1/17/14 5:21 AM as a reply to Jean B..
Its normal. Its an indicator of a block, energy have no-where to go. Your option is to waste this energy or open up a chakra that you could have more space for energy, but also this will get full over time, so you need to work again with the block till next chakra or space opens.
When chakra opens you feel literally more powerful too, its an event you won't miss. Its worth the effort.

RE: Third eye pressures
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1/17/14 4:36 PM as a reply to Banned For waht?.
That was my first guess indeed.

Will concentration and insight practices alone, allow it to open and/or dissolve? Does it need specific energy practices?

I don't do energetic practice, and it would be hard for me to add one to my daily practice --- which are sometimes hard enough to maintain!

RE: Third eye pressures
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1/18/14 6:44 AM as a reply to Jean B..
Concentration is a tool for helping to discover the static force. If you find it you can't concentrate anymore. Your practice will come different.
Energy consists of two forces, dynamic and static. At first we are lost in dynamic forces, we need to recognize the static and mix them together. Its all done in awareness. Its metaphysics or inneralchemy.
Insight is wisdom or knowledge about nature or energy.
I think with concentration only we won't dissolve the blocks in- or open new channels/chakras.

In these times when everything evolves fast(technology) we are able to evolve fast too, i wouldn't miss it. Its in the suttas too written that these times(dharma ending time) is the best time to evolve but rare to see a person who understands dharma.

Tips and Muscle Balancing Technique
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1/19/14 9:43 PM as a reply to Jean B..
I've had similar experiences. Here are practices that worked for me.

First, if you are doing concentration practices, practice zooming out and in between wide and narrow focus. I think that the pressure at chakra points can be caused by an involuntary single-pointedness that remains after the meditation period is ended. I found that using kasina meditation was a great way to learn to zoom in and out my focus. First see the kasina close up then far away. Keep investigating until you find the mental knobs to move your focal point to different spatial depths and different widths. Another option is to do concentration meditation on the soles of your feet, this tends to draw energy away from the head. The danger of doing this with a lower spinal chakra point is that it can start to open the chakra and release even more energy up through the spine into the head. The feet seem to be pretty safe thought. You can also do standing meditation and focus on a point about 6 inches below the feet in the centre (earth chakra).

I also recommend the lessons on self-pacing at this yoga site. AYPsite.com is sort of the yoga-tradition equivalent of the Dharma Overground in my opinion.

If you want to take a more direct approach to solving the problem, here’s what I’ve discovered works after many years of trial and error. This approach balances the distribution of nervous system energy between opposing muscle groups. To do this, start by noticing the tension in your forehead and while maintaining focus there, bring your attention to the muscles in the back the base of your skull, as well as you temples. These tissues form a sort of headband around your head. Try to relax your muscles in your forehead and notice how this transfers the tension to the sides or the back. Now, see if you can get good at transferring the tension back and forth from front to back (being aware of the sides as well). Don't try to get rid of the tension, just move it around. Finally, when you are quite familiar with how to move the tension back and forth from front to back do the following. Clench your brow in the familiar tension pattern. Form the mental intention to keep firing off those muscles maximally. Then, while maintaining this intention SIMULTANEOUSLY fire off a very strong intention to relax the muscles and transfer the tension to the back. In other words you mentally trigger two equal and opposite movements at the same time. Keep this up, don't just fire it for a second and stop, keep a constant intention for both movements for as long as you can remain focused. Although this involves effort try to remain calm at the same time so you don’t add extra stress to the system. Keep your breath slow and deep. This will take some practice to get down. When you've got it, the contradictory signals to your nervous system will sort of short circuit the whole tension pattern and your entire head might shake a little and feel out of control. You might experience fear, as the you experience and unfamiliar body configuration. Do the practice with somebody else present if you are nervous to try it on your own. After you get a shift that feels like a complete or partial cancelling out of the tension pattern, stop and move your head normally through its full range of motion with your eyes open. Do this several times to help your brain build correlations with the new movements.

Anyway, in my experience this is the most powerful technique for diffusing energetic tensions. Don't over do it though or push too far past your comfort zone. Just work on releasing a little tension every day. It's also normal for the muscles to be a bit sore for a few days after a major release as they adapt to unfamiliar movements enabled by greater mobility.

Good Luck.

Avi Craimer
Meditation Teaching

RE: Tips and Muscle Balancing Technique
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1/19/14 12:16 AM as a reply to Avi Craimer.
Thank you for the tips.

Actually I've discovered AYPsite in early 2011's, and been doing AYP deep meditation during all 2013 20 min twice a day as recommended. It helped me with dissolving pressures in the head, they were far stronger before (the worst begin second half of 2012).

I'll give a try to your technique. I know I can move the tension back and forth with concentration, so hopefully I can do what follows.

Cheers!

RE: Tips and Muscle Balancing Technique
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1/19/14 9:51 PM as a reply to Jean B..
Great, I look forward to hearing how it works for you. A point of clarification.

There are actually two ways to think about the equal and opposite movements. First is to contract and expand a single muscle group at the same time. The second is to expand two (or more) oppositional muscle groups simultaneously. So for example you could contract your forehead and then, without releasing the contraction, fire the signal to release it and move it the tension back (method 1) OR you can try to release the forehead and move the tension back while simultaneously releasing the back of the skull and moving the tension forward (method 2). I think these two methods amount to the same thing in terms of the effect they have, but sometimes it's easier to do it one way or another. Let me know which you find works better.

RE: Third eye pressures
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1/23/14 10:56 PM as a reply to Banned For waht?.
Thank you all for this post! It was exactly what I was looking for! Such a strange site (something I'm not used to) we can talk about this and others know (somewhat) what is going on. I am surrounded by such intelligent people!!!

RE: Third Eye Pressure
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1/28/14 4:52 AM as a reply to Avi Craimer.
Some news about how I deal with third eye pressures.

Avi Craimer : I've not tried you technique as much as it deserves, because I found that some adjustments to my practice and lifestyle to be quite successful in dealing with the issue.

A lighter diet with less meat and less coffee seems fine to avoid heaviness which can lead to head pressures.

I tried concentration on rise and falling of the belly instead of tip of the nose, and this as well seems better suited to me; with attention placed to a lower zone in the body, I don't have pressures in the head during and after practice.

Also, mindfulness of body and recognizing physical / mental sensations as "not me" seems to allow me to live less in my head, which I think could help to lower pressures.

I need to check all of this on the long run, but it seems promising.

RE: Third eye pressures
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1/28/14 9:11 AM as a reply to Jean B..
It is pretty normal. For me it was happening for a couple of years fairly strongly.

I tend to model this a bit differently, as increased activation of the prefrontal lobes (and concomitant blood flow). Within neuroscience this is a known outcome for advanced meditators. Some people get a bit of a headband effect as well.

Lots of remodeling taking place.

RE: Third eye pressures
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2/16/14 7:35 AM as a reply to Jean B..
Jean B.:
I took the initiation for Kriya Yoga on June of 2011 followed by a 4 days retreat, at the end of which I've been accompanied with a rather strong pressure in the forehead that has never gone off since then.

Pressures in the forehead then became very strong and uncomfortable. At times it was like a extremly concentrated point was pulsating in my forehead. I have recognized various patterns of energy moving : sometimes on left side, sometimes on right side, sometimes pulsating on both sides alternatively.

Also, at the end of 2012, I experimented for a few months very strong dizziness, with the sensation of flush of dizzy energy in my head. I had them everytime I would sit or stand up or bend, especially in the evening with the fatigue of the day.

Sometimes I do not feel it for days, or just slightly and not enough for it to bother me. But sometimes it's just too strong to be ignored and it's exhausting.

When pressures hit hard, I became irritated, angry and emotionally unbalanced. It's like it is sucking my energy and don't have any more patience for everything else.
When I don't feel it or I can ignore it, I feel ok, energized and much more balanced. I feel happy, like nothing can touch me and life feels great.

Doing Anapanasati, at first it's strong due to concentration at the tip of the nose (I guess because it's near third eye), but eventually rapture and bliss spaces it out and it becomes sweeter and lighter.

But those pressures days bring with them irritation, anger and strong burst of emotions.

Is that normal? Can I expect it to go? Can it be related to some sort of cycle I'm going through?
I can't help but fear it will last for the rest of my life.


Good day Jean. Could i ask you how you managed your third eye pressures. I have been having a hard time with it for a while now. I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Greg

RE: Third eye pressures
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2/16/14 5:50 PM as a reply to Gregory R. H..
Gregory R. H.:
Good day Jean. Could i ask you how you managed your third eye pressures. I have been having a hard time with it for a while now. I would appreciate it.


There are several things you can do in order to deal with third eye pressures. What has been a tremendous help is to identify what increase or decrease the intensity of those pressures.

In my case, I noticed that some things actually make them worse: not enough sleep, heavy diet, too much coffee, and sometimes cannabis and codeine used several days in a row get it worse as well.

Self-paced practice has been very helping too. Concentration practice (I was doing deep meditation as taught on AYPsite.org before, now I'm in anapanasati) helps me to keep the pressures diluted, so they do not gather in a single spot. You might be aware of doing it without tensing or forcing, finding the right balance was another great help to me, both to decrease pressures in general and to handle them during the day.

Vipassana practice (noting in my case) seems to help as well, but I cannot be sure about this one because I've begun to practice Vipassana only recently. To me it's helping by allowing me to dissociate from pressures, by noting and finely observing them it I can see they are impermanent and not mine. After some time of practice, I would say it helps too.

I can't stress enough the time factor. Whatever I've tried, it took me some time (therefore patience) to be effective.

Hope you'll find anything valuable and worth trying to get some relief.

Investigate jhana's and formless spaces
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3/9/14 10:00 PM as a reply to Jean B..
Hey, I've just been doing a bunch of insight meditation on the jhanas and formless realms. One unforeseen beneficial side effect of this has been a great reductions in the pressures at various natural focus spots like the brow and back of the neck. My theory is that as soon as meditators start developing the ability to really concentrate, the brain starts to get addicted to the pleasurable jhanic effects, and so it automatically tries to maintain these effects to the extent that it can even in the midst of daily life. However, after following Daniel's instructions about investigating the jhanas, this tendency is much diminished. I cycled through fruition many times with each jhana at each focus spot where I've been having problems. It was pretty intense, a lot of second door entries, which are never that fun, but I guess that's the only way out of strong attachments. Obviously, there are also broader benefits to doing this sort of investigation from an enlightenment point of view, but the most immediate tangible benefit is less pressure in focus spots.

I recommend starting with 1st jhana to investigate effort. Then go to 2nd jhana to investigate piti, then 3rd for sukka, and 4th for equanimity. The formless realms are each their own beast.

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/2/14 6:04 PM as a reply to Banned For waht?.
Good to see a lot of us doing this. Hope we multiple emoticon its been 5 yrs doing this daily. my body has been feeling like im inside a magnet growing stronger with the kundalini flexing i have been doing. Amazing supernatural outcome so far. Seen thing only seen in sci-fi movies, i bet most of you know what i mean. seeing 360 and through walls etc?

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/3/14 1:39 AM as a reply to Jean B..
Interesting topic, good to read this is normal emoticon

I sometimes experience third eye pressures as well. Tingling and pulling, especially during longer retreats and also during daily life sometimes. The sensation for me get stronger when i have to make decisions or experience emotions. Sometimes the sensation haven been so strong I felt unbalanced because of it. Sometimes i also find the sensation very pleasurable. At the moment I still sometimes experience it but it feels much more balanced.

What helped for me was:
- Treating it like any other ordinary sensation, just observing it and accepting it. And not giving it more meaning than it has, it is just a bodily sensation.
- When i experience it strongly it often helpes to give attention to my whole body, and all other sensations. That makes me feel more grounded again.

Good luck!

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/3/14 10:18 AM as a reply to Jean B..
To learn how to move "energy" (read: tension) in the body can be useful. This add a bit more details to what has already been said by others. You can learn to move various tension your body until they get released at various points. Tension in the back can be moved down, along the hip or back and side of your legs, to the side of your feet, to the top of your feet, some release can happens there. If not, you move the tension at the front of your leg, to your knee cap (some tension can release there) and then to your quadriceps. You can learn to maintain that cycle through the day. If it’s happens during the 3C, finding painful nerve spots and massaging them until the tension is gone (sometimes you will feel the connection with another spot in your body, where the tension will be released) can help. The shoulder and upper-back are common spot for this.

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/3/14 9:25 PM as a reply to Simon T..
Until now, the only way I've found really helpful to release tensions is to watch them closely vipassana-style, with the help of a mantra to deepen the focus. When I can feel --become-- the vibrations, then they dissolve and are released.

But they come back eventually in the following hours.

For me, good sleep helps a lot too. A few bad nights and tensions are back.

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/4/14 1:31 PM as a reply to Jean B..
Do they get actually released with small spasms or you simply feel more relaxed after the practice?

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/4/14 5:41 PM as a reply to Simon T..
When vibrations get very close to sync / dissolve, indeed there are small spasms followed by the feeling of release and greater relaxation. These spams feel very internal, almost not physical, and sometimes come with sparks of internal light.

RE: Third eye pressures
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11/5/14 8:33 AM as a reply to Jean B..
Jean B.:
When vibrations get very close to sync / dissolve, indeed there are small spasms followed by the feeling of release and greater relaxation. These spams feel very internal, almost not physical, and sometimes come with sparks of internal light.

Evaluate your balance between concentration and insight. For me sometimes, doing purely insight practice, getting myself in a comfortable position and doing fast noting only of all body sensations works better at releasing tension.