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What is a fruition?
Daniel F Gurzynski, modified 9 Years ago at 3/19/15 12:26 PM
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What is a fruition?
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Matt, modified 9 Years ago at 3/19/15 12:37 PM
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RE: What is a fruition?
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RE: What is a fruition?
Posts: 896 Join Date: 3/7/11 Recent Poststhis and more is described and defined in Daniel Ingrams book 'mastering the core teachings of the buddha' which is available online for free.
in it the 15 stage model is explained. this is based on a burmese traditional theravadin model as explained by mahasi sayadaw. when one meditates he experiences successively these 15 stages, eventually working up to the 15th stage called 'fruition'. it is also another word for 'nirvana' or cessation and is when all perception stops.
the first time one completes this cycle and has a fruition this is called the first 'path moment' and that person is referred to traditionally as a sotapanna or 'stream enterer'.
in this model there are four of these cycles, or 'path moments' and with each one certain illusions are seen through and
certain habitual tendencies fall away, presumably for good. after four paths, one is considered an 'arahant'.
one is considered enlightened after first path, but not completely enlightened. there are other models of enlightenment which do not consider fourth path 'fully enlightened;.
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-- Timus --, modified 9 Years ago at 3/19/15 4:59 PM
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RE: What is a fruition?
Posts: 47 Join Date: 5/17/10 Recent PostsI think that’s not completely accurate: Only the first and second path coincide with the completion of an insight cycle. The third and especially the fourth path are usually only achieved after going through multiple insight cycles. At least that’s how I understood it.
Dream Walker, modified 9 Years ago at 3/19/15 10:28 PM
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Dream Walker, modified 9 Years ago at 3/20/15 3:00 AM
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RE: What is a fruition?
Posts: 1770 Join Date: 1/18/12 Recent PostsI think that’s not completely accurate: Only the first and second path coincide with the completion of an insight cycle. The third and especially the fourth path are usually only achieved after going through multiple insight cycles. At least that’s how I understood it.
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Nikolai , modified 9 Years ago at 3/20/15 6:05 AM
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RE: What is a fruition?
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These days I wouldn't refer to the actual cessation moment as the actual fruition but the moments following. Fruition is phala-samapatti in Pali as I understand that term from past studies. Phala meaning 'fruit'.
In the following Mahasi Sayadaw quote he talks about nirodha samapati (nirodha being 'cessation') but also what follows it being phala samapatti. and seems to indicate it as being something experienced as opposed to something not experienced (i.e. cessation moment).
It has already been stated that phalasamapatti (fruition attainment) first begins to occur when arising from nirodhasamapatti. This phalasamapatti being free from raga (passion), etc., it is also called suññata(the Void). As it is free of raga-nimitta (one of the attributes of sentient existence), it is also known as animitta. Moreover, as it is free from passionate desire such as raga, etc., it is also called appanihita. As such, phassa which is also included in this samapatti is also known as suññata, animitta and appanihita. As phassa (contact) takes place by dwelling upon Nibbana, which is known as suññata (the Void), animitta (the Unconditioned), and appanithta (freedom from longing or desire), with attentive consciousness of mind, it is called suññata, etc. The answer, therefore, is that the three kinds of phassa, viz: suññataphassa, animittaphassa and appanihitaphassa first begin to take place.
For better understanding, it may be stated that when arising from nirodhasamæpatti,contact takes place with suññata-nibbana, a condition devoid of kilesa-sankhara to which the mind has been directed as its sense-object. Contact is also made with animitta-nibbana which is devoid of or free from any sign of nimitta. Then comes mere awareness of contact with appanihita-nibbana, a condition free from vehement desire, which is the sense object that has been contemplated.http://www.dhammaweb.net/mahasi/book/Mahasi_Sayadaw_Culavedalla_Sutta.pdf
This explanation rings true in my own experience of the post-cessation moments. it may be very insightful to play around with such access/abiltiy, to incline to cessations and then see to lengthening, exploring, experimenting with the post "reboot" period to see what and how the field of experience "takes shape" once again.
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