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Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!)

10/5/15 1:09 PM

Hello friends! In a previous thread, Daniel mentioned: "The LBRP and Middle Pillar ritual are profound, and more so when taken to the level where you can see what you are visualizing: that, for nearly everyone, requires a very high degree of concentration. That degree of concentration, if actually cultivated, opens doors to a great number of amazing things, including real insight."
I was wondering if I might ask which concentration practice's are the best to cultivate the ability to actually see what you are visualising?

Many thanks in advance?

Daniel F Gurzynski

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10/5/15 1:23 PM as a reply to Aldous Buckley.

Ages ago when I first started practicing the LBRP and MP I would say that the best practice is to look up the instructions by either Israel Regardie or from Modern Magick by Donald Michael Kraig and do it daily, as strongly as you can each time. Maybe twice a day. They are basic but very good excercises.

Aldous Buckley Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/20/14 Recent Posts	RE: Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!) Answer 10/5/15 1:26 PM as a reply to Daniel F Gurzynski. Indeed yes - I already do them! I was just curious about the 'actually seeing' what your visualising that Daniel spoke of, as opposed to just imagining it. Thanks for replying!
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Daniel F Gurzynski Posts: 23 Join Date: 8/22/09 Recent Posts	RE: Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!) Answer 10/5/15 8:11 PM as a reply to Aldous Buckley. http://firekasina.org/ Probably this might be a very good link to check out then. A retreat working exclusively with the fire kasina and occasionally doing just what you ask. I found it facinating!
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Dada Kind

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10/5/15 11:32 PM as a reply to Aldous Buckley.

The fire kasina is a good choice. I'm interested to see Dan's advice also

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib9.htm#5

Dharana - Control of Thought

Constrain the mind to concentrate itself upon a single simple object imagined.

The five tatwas are useful for this purpose; they are: a black oval; a blue
disk; a silver crescent; a yellow square; a red triangle.
Proceed to combinations of simple objects; e.g. a black oval within a yellow
square, and so on.
Proceed to simple moving objects, such as a pendulum swinging, a wheel revolving,
etc. Avoid living objects.
Proceed to combinations of moving objects, e.g. a piston rising and falling
while a pendulum is swinging. The relation between the two movements should
be varied in different experiments.

Or even a system of flywheels, eccentrics, and governor.
During these practices the mind must be absolutely confined to the object
determined upon; no other thought must be allowed to intrude upon the consciousness.
The moving systems must be regular and harmonious.
Note carefully the duration of the experiments, the number and nature of
the intruding thoughts, the tendency of the object itself to depart from the
course laid out for it, and any other phenomena which may present themselves.
Avoid overstrain; this is very important.
Proceed to imagine living objects; as a man, preferably some man known to,
and respected by, yourself.
In the intervals of these experiments you may try to imagine the objects
of the other senses, and to concentrate upon them.

For example, try to imagine the taste of chocolate, the smell of roses, the
feeling of velvet, the sound of a waterfall or the ticking of a watch.
Endeavour finally to shut out all objects of any of the senses, and prevent
all thoughts arising in your mind. When you feel you have attained some success
in these practices, apply for examination, and should you pass, more complex
and difficult practices will be prescribed for you.

Pål Posts: 778 Join Date: 9/30/14 Recent Posts	RE: Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!) Answer 10/6/15 3:15 AM as a reply to Aldous Buckley. Since we're actually evocing angels in the LBRP (which btw was recommended by the buddha in some ancient suttas, see the gaya sutta and the thread on "the four kings"), this might be of some help: http://youtu.be/FYTeFJvY-oQ be careful about Koetting though, he is very skilled in black magic.
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Marek Mark Posts: 40 Join Date: 12/4/11 Recent Posts	RE: Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!) Answer 10/6/15 4:04 AM as a reply to Pål. Pål: be careful about Koetting though, he is very skilled in black magic. Too bad he has very limited skills in Adobe After Effects... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrMZUwi8EM
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Eva Nie

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10/7/15 8:42 PM as a reply to Aldous Buckley.

Aldous Buckley:

Indeed yes - I already do them!
I was just curious about the 'actually seeing' what your visualising that Daniel spoke of, as opposed to just imagining it.
Thanks for replying!

What is the difference other than maybe intensity? What you see is always fabricated by eyes and/or mind.
-Eva

Daniel M. Ingram Posts: 3153 Join Date: 4/20/09 Recent Posts	RE: Magick question for Daniel (or anyone!) Answer 10/10/15 11:17 AM as a reply to Aldous Buckley. I love it when the community is there and I am not needed at all. Sound advice all around.
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Bronson Michael Miller

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10/19/15 1:46 AM as a reply to Marek Mark.

Marek Mark:

Pål:

be careful about Koetting though, he is very skilled in black magic.

Too bad he has very limited skills in Adobe After Effects...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdrMZUwi8EM

Haha that is hilarious!

And at Daniel, I agree. Everbody and everything has their seasons and being the creator and being a large contributor of a forum probably don't always alone and it's always a bummer to see when people expect you to xyz but on the other hand it must be cool to see your forum working out on it's own when you do get time.

Cheers