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A Framework of Awakening Comments P K 3/8/18 2:52 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 12/3/15 6:58 PM
RE: Some random thoughts tom moylan 12/4/15 4:00 AM
RE: Some random thoughts Oochdd 12/4/15 4:06 AM
RE: Some random thoughts Stuie Charles Law 12/4/15 4:28 AM
RE: Some random thoughts Dream Walker 12/13/15 7:02 PM
RE: Some random thoughts elizabeth 12/11/15 7:08 AM
RE: Some random thoughts svmonk 12/12/15 11:12 PM
RE: Some random thoughts elizabeth 12/16/15 8:36 AM
RE: Some random thoughts Stuie Charles Law 12/22/15 3:49 AM
RE: Some random thoughts Dream Walker 12/22/15 12:17 PM
RE: Some random thoughts C P M 12/22/15 12:22 PM
RE: Some random thoughts Eva Nie 12/22/15 3:08 PM
RE: Some random thoughts svmonk 12/22/15 9:17 PM
RE: Some random thoughts Dream Walker 12/22/15 9:57 PM
RE: Some random thoughts Eva Nie 12/22/15 10:15 PM
RE: Some random thoughts Gerry V 12/22/15 9:49 PM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 4/22/16 2:58 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 4/22/16 2:59 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Ernest Michael Olmos 4/22/16 2:41 PM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 4/22/16 3:44 PM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments John Power 4/23/16 1:14 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments tom moylan 6/22/17 8:36 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Ernest Michael Olmos 4/25/16 9:17 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 2/15/17 1:33 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 6/22/17 7:23 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Dream Walker 4/22/16 2:50 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments Matthew 11/15/19 11:12 AM
RE: A Framework of Awakening Comments punto 11/15/19 1:00 PM
A Framework of Awakening Comments
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3/8/18 2:52 AM

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12/3/15 6:58 PM as a reply to P K.
Paweł K:

Anyhow, DW are you an Arhat?

Nope,
Like I said above, I have had a preview of some stuff and modified some categories and talked to those who have done more.
The reason I wanted to put this out there though its not done yet, is that I am having health problems and going to get my heart stented soon.
So just in case, I wanted to pass on my ramblings so hopefully someone can build on them.
Wish me luck,
~D

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12/4/15 4:00 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
much luck and success!  get well in advance!
much metta

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12/4/15 4:06 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Wow, okay, then best of luck with that! Stay alive and healthy!  (I have no idea what stenting a heart means, but it doesn't sound pleasant)

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12/4/15 4:28 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Dream Walker.............Mate ive had the medics swarming all over, inside 'n outside my old ticker and stenting is a well oiled, simple proceedure.  They are pros, they'll take great care of you and return you to us, once more full and complete.  I am all to familiar with the worry and apprehension that occures prior to heart proceedures, and whilst i can't help in person, Please know that i will be with you in the Fellowship of the Spirit.

Love ya man ...............get your ass back here ASAP..............there's a job to be done.

P.s.  Let us know what time the proceedure is to occur and your time zone and i'll work out when to be sitting in meditative absorption, in your support.

Cheers Mate,  Stuie

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12/13/15 7:02 PM as a reply to Stuie Charles Law.
Stuie Charles Law:
Let us know what time the proceedure is to occur and your time zone and i'll work out when to be sitting in meditative absorption, in your support.
Cheers Mate,  Stuie

Dec 16th, 9am west coast time USA. Thats the scheduled time to start the proceedure.
Thanks all, it should be pretty straight forward but any well wishes are appreciated
~D

Update: time change to 9am

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12/11/15 7:08 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Thanks for sharing the framework. it is an intriguing way of looking at this

Dream Walker:

Dec 16th, 7am west coast time USA. Thats the scheduled time to start the proceedure.
Thanks all, it should be pretty straight forward but any well wishes are appreciated
~D


I'll definitely be sending well wishes your way.

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12/12/15 11:12 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Hi DW,

Good luck with your procedure, I hope all goes well.

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12/16/15 8:36 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
bumping this as a reminder - note the time change

Dream Walker:
Stuie Charles Law:
Let us know what time the proceedure is to occur and your time zone and i'll work out when to be sitting in meditative absorption, in your support.
Cheers Mate,  Stuie

Dec 16th, 9am west coast time USA. Thats the scheduled time to start the proceedure.
Thanks all, it should be pretty straight forward but any well wishes are appreciated
~D

Update: time change to 9am

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12/22/15 3:49 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
D W..................Where fore art thou?

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12/22/15 12:17 PM as a reply to Stuie Charles Law.
Stuie Charles Law:
D W..................Where fore art thou?
Oh hey, I'm in Hawaii chilling out on the beach for the holidays.
The Doc got pics of my heart and it was such a mess he did not stent it. It neeeds around 15 stents or surgery, so I have a sugical consult after the new year to see what kinda open heart bypass they are thinking. In the mean time I'm supposed to take it easy so I dont POP. But until the pictures, I had been working out every day at the gym and lost weight and look better than ever. I have been working on reversing the heart disease but it is proving to be harder than reversing diabetes, which is now reversed to the pre diabetic stage with diet supplements exersize and wishful thinking.  Its totally frustrating trying to figure out heart disease, the standard model of cholesterol seems like utter horse crap...I'm leaning towards the infection model, as genetic tests are finding 50 some bacterias and 30 funguses in the plaque. So I am taking a ton of different suplements and anything that has little to no downside and kitchen sinking it. Lots of alternative protocols out there and I am doing all I can find. It is really difficult to sift thru all the crap and disinformation but I am following my intuition which has lead me to several interesting things.
So wish me luck....
May all beings be happy, May all beings be healthy, May all beings be healed, May all beings love themselves with great kindness just as they are now, May all beings be free from suffereing, May all beings be at peace.
~D

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12/22/15 12:22 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Good luck!  I took cholesterol lowering medicine for almost 10 years, I stopped for some of the reasons you point out.

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12/22/15 3:08 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Its totally frustrating trying to figure out heart disease, the standard model of cholesterol seems like utter horse crap...I'm leaning towards the infection model, as genetic tests are finding 50 some bacterias and 30 funguses in the plaque.
Yup but the standard model sells a LOT of drugs and if big pharma picks their study participants carefully and ends any research that is going the wrong way early, they can show a tiny benefit to taking them.  I think I just read something about 'preventative' statin use now being authorized. However, since my brain and cell membranes require cholesterol to function, I think I'll pass on trying to block its production if possible.  ;-P  Also consider that cholesterol lowering drugs increase the chance of cancer (which is believed to occur due to defects in immune system response). 

Personally I try to eat mostly paleo style.  (minus some of the extreme stuff some of the diehards go to).  That means I eat natural saturated fats like lard and coconut oil and try to avoid the veggie oils which go rancid and develop transfats easily.  Natural fats taste better too, conveniently but for those too nervous of the science to try, real olive oil would be a middle road. Ironically, most studies that show the dangers of a 'high fat western diet' deal a lot with hydrogenated vegetable oils.  Whereas studies using coconut for their 'high fat diet' found protective effects.  Some very powerful protection against liver damage was found when rats were fed coconut oil with their alcohol to the point of almost complete prevention of liver damage.  Interesting considering that rats generally do not do well on high fat, their natural diet is not super similar to humans.  Rats fed crisco like diets, which is usually the diet used for them to prove the dangers of a high fat diet, do really poorly.  I would suggest the same is probalby true of humans, hydrogenated veggie oils are not natural for any creature.  However some feel (and there is good evidence for) the danger is polunsaturated fatty acids do not mix well with high sugar diets, so the 2 togother are like a perfect storm. The various fats really need to be looked at on a case by case basis and should not be lumped together.  Interestingly, saturated fat and cholesterol have been linked with improved immune response as well. Anyway, there is much still to learn..
  • Researchers induced liver disease by feeding mice a combination of
    alcohol and omega-3-rich fish oil.  They then stopped the alcohol and
    split the mice into two groups, one fed fish oil plus glucose, the other
    palm oil plus glucose. (Palm oil consists predominantly of saturated
    fat, and is less than 10% polyunsaturated.) Livers of the fish oil group
    failed to recover, but the palm oil group “showed near normalization.”
    The researchers hailed saturated fat as “a novel treatment for liver disease.” [2]
  • Mice fed 27.5% of calories as alcohol developed severe liver disease
    and metabolic syndrome when given a corn oil diet, but no disease at
    all when given a cocoa butter diet. (Corn oil is 55% polyunsaturated,
    cocoa butter is predominantly saturated fat and is less than 3%
    polyunsaturated.) The first line of this paper begins, “The protective effect of dietary saturated fatty acids against the development of alcoholic liver disease has long been known.” [3]
  • Scientists induced liver disease in mice by feeding alcohol plus
    corn oil.  They then substituted a saturated-fat rich mix based on beef
    tallow and coconut oil for 20%, 45%, and 67% of the corn oil. The more
    saturated fat, the healthier the liver. [4]
   [1] Holahan CJ et al. Late-Life Alcohol Consumption and 20-Year Mortality. Alcohol Clin Exp Res. 2010 Aug 24. [Epub ahead of print] http://pmid.us/20735372. Full text: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1530-0277.2010.01286.x/pdf. (Hat tip:  Robin Hanson, http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/09/alcohol-is-healthy.html)[2] Nanji AA et al. Dietary saturated fatty acids: a novel treatment for alcoholic liver disease. Gastroenterology. 1995 Aug;109(2):547-54. http://pmid.us/7615205.[3] You M et al. Role of adiponectin in the protective action of dietary saturated fat against alcoholic fatty liver in mice. Hepatology. 2005 Sep;42(3):568-77. http://pmid.us/16108051.[4] Ronis MJ et al. Dietary saturated fat reduces alcoholic
hepatotoxicity in rats by altering fatty acid metabolism and membrane
composition. J Nutr. 2004 Apr;134(4):904-12. http://pmid.us/15051845.

-Eva

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12/22/15 9:17 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Saw this fly by on ScienceDaily the other day:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151217130454.htm

Turns out that gut microbes are responsible for metabolising animal fats into a chemical that contributes to atherosclerosis (in mice anyway). An inhibitor found in cold pressed olive oil and grapeseed oil supresses the production of the offending chemical.

                

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12/22/15 9:49 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Hey Dreamwalker, I'm sorry to hear you're having health issues. I think what you're doing by looking for alternative measures is very wise. Conventional medicine is great for dealing with acute issues like bullet wounds, and car accidents, but they're really unreliable for curing chronic diseases like heart disease and diabetes. The way that they push expensive medicine and surgery on people is terrible, imo. Instead of curing the disease, many doctors just give out drugs to suppress symptoms. Problem is that it's not helping the issue, and may make things worse in the long run with side effects.

I agree with Eva's recommendations. I think everyone should avoid fried foods if they want to be as healthy as they can. This is due to the vegetable oil, which is high in Polyunsaturated fats, oxidizing at high temperatures (fryring) and creating big time inflammation in the body when consumed. I'd avoid any food high in polyunsaturated fats with the exception of fish, on occasion (although fish also seems to give me a strange reaction if I eat too much of it). Saturated fats, afaik, are not oxidized at high temperatures, and if they are they oxidize at ridiculously high temperatures. Saturated Fats are also really good for hormone health. Monounsaturated fats are also good fats for the body. I'd also avoid grains (wheat, barley, rye and oats) if I could. Some people can handle them, but to many, they cause inflammation in the gut which can cause overall body inflammation to go up. They also can damage intestines which can affect how well you absorb nutrients in food as well as can cause leaky gut if intestine damage is high. For the most part, Paleo is a good base philosophy, imo, for living a healthy life. This a long with common sense, noticing what foods agree or don't agree with your body.

A lot of this information I learned in the past few months was from this guy Dr. Joel Wallach. I found him on YouTube and he has some really interesting videos. He's a really smart guy who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in medicine for preventing and even reversing serious diseases in animals with nutrients. He used those same philosophies and began treating people for diseases and he's been pretty successful. He has a supplement company which sells vitamins, minerals and other nutrients in packages for whatever disease you're treating. I haven't tried his stuff because they're a bit expensive for me at the moment, but the ingredients look really solid. I'd look into some of his videos at least on heart disease. He has a movie called Dead Doctor's Don't Lie that I haven't seen it but I've heard good things about it.

I hope you get well soon tho Dreamwalker, you're a great part of this community. For now, enjoy the Hawaiian paradise.

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12/22/15 9:57 PM as a reply to svmonk.
svmonk:
Saw this fly by on ScienceDaily the other day:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151217130454.htm

Turns out that gut microbes are responsible for metabolising animal fats into a chemical that contributes to atherosclerosis (in mice anyway). An inhibitor found in cold pressed olive oil and grapeseed oil supresses the production of the offending chemical.

                

As far as I can tell Carnatine, phosphatidylcholine, choline, vit E as well as many other items have been targeted as "bad" for you while others claim these actually are curitive of heart disease. Very difficult to figure out who is motivated to say what. What to believe....

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2013/04/lessons-from-the-latest-red-meat-scare/

Resistant starches and fiber is one of the main intuitive things I have researched to change my gut bacteria....super simple to do and potato starch is cheap.

Edit: thanks everyone for your well wishes....and if you like paleo check out the perfect health diet....it's claimed to be paleo perfected....I really enjoyed the book as it actually makes a lot of sense.

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12/22/15 10:15 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Dream Walker:
svmonk:
Saw this fly by on ScienceDaily the other day:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/12/151217130454.htm

Turns out that gut microbes are responsible for metabolising animal fats into a chemical that contributes to atherosclerosis (in mice anyway). An inhibitor found in cold pressed olive oil and grapeseed oil supresses the production of the offending chemical.

                

As far as I can tell Carnatine, phosphatidylcholine, choline, vit E as well as many other items have been targeted as "bad" for you while others claim these actually are curitive of heart disease. Very difficult to figure out who is motivated to say what. What to believe....

http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2013/04/lessons-from-the-latest-red-meat-scare/

Resistant starches and fiber is one of the main intuitive things I have researched to change my gut bacteria....super simple to do and potato starch is cheap.

Edit: thanks everyone for your well wishes....and if you like paleo check out the perfect health diet....it's claimed to be paleo perfected....I really enjoyed the book as it actually makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, perfect health diet is pretty good too.  I think theh paleo eaters tend to get a bit extreme, perfect health diet is a more balanced approach but we all still have a lot to learn. 

As for the carnitine and choline scare, the danger of TMAO in humans is very debatable.  Remember that rats are omnivores like us but they do not eat nearly as much meat as us and are not designed for it.  They eat a lot more seeds and the like in nature (something we are not well designed for I might add).  So complex digestive pathways do not always match in them and us.  In fact, studies feeding these 'offending' foods like liver to humans found no increase in TMAO levels and previous studies of the chemistry pathways in humans did not find the same chemical chain in humans as was found in the mice.  Here's a rather thorough debunking: http://www.westonaprice.org/uncategorized/does-dietary-choline-contribute-to-heart-disease/

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4/22/16 2:50 AM as a reply to P K.
svmonk:
Hi DW,

I think you are on to something here. I'm wondering if the problem you identified above, people getting to path without knowing exactly what they did, might not be caused by a similar lack of the ability to retrieve the memory because it was filed under a code that they don't currently have access to, like with infants?

(PS: no need to reply until you're finished BTW)

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4/22/16 2:58 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Oochdd:
Love this stuff DreamWalker! Not far enough along to provide any feedback regarding its accuracy, but very interesting nevertheless.

Have you given some thought on what this model would imply for evaluating and assessing progress (e.g. how would you asses whether any of the seven categories is open or closed) and what type of practice would be best or most effective for each given stage and category?

Curious to hear more!

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4/22/16 2:59 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Dream Walker:
Oochdd:
Have you given some thought on what this model would imply for evaluating and assessing progress (e.g. how would you asses whether any of the seven categories is open or closed)
First and second path is pretty straight forward and third has perceptual shifts that are self evident when you get them. You should be able to describe most of them to a high degree when it happens though I have pointed out details to others that had the same thing that they had not noticed yet. I'm sure others have things I have not noticed either. But the main thing is pretty big.
Oochdd:

 ...what type of practice would be best or most effective for each given stage and category?
I hope to get to this in later posts...I don't know about "most effective" but check out Rob Burbeas's book, "The seeing that frees"  Seeing-That-Frees-Robert-Burbea for a bunch of exercises that look good.
For a classic take on stuff, check out  "Clarifying the Natural State: A Principal Guidance Manual for Mahamudra" Clarifing
There are a bunch opf other stuff out there and I've not read a lot of it yet.
http://www.mahamudracenter.org/mmcmembermeditationguide.pdf

Good luck,
~D

Edit : Additional resources
http://www.unfetteredmind.org/ken-mcleod/
Pointing-Out-Great-Way-Dan Brown
http://www.dharmaocean.org/meditation/teachers/reginald-a-ray/

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4/22/16 2:41 PM as a reply to Dream Walker.
1. Great work, very useful.

2. When I got SE, one of the changes in perception was that I could move from one thing that I was looking to another faster, there was less "holding".
When I got 2nd, I found that when I focused on something, I couldn't focus on it alone, without watching the surroundings. In fact, I thought that I had a problem with the focus of my vision. What you describe as 3rd path ("Panoramic visual field that holds the focal point") seems very similar to what I got at 2nd (and in fact you describe it better emoticon). Maybe I got 3rd???

3. I follow a strict low fat vegan diet (Esselstyn, McDougall, Greger) etc. While on it my total cholesterol dropped from 180 to 90 and my LDL from 120 to 40.
Everyone is different, but what you eat can affect arterial health a lot (if you are serious about it).

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4/22/16 3:44 PM as a reply to Ernest Michael Olmos.
Ernest Michael Olmos:
1. Great work, very useful.
Thanks, its coming along but needs a bunch more work and is kinda limited to my understanding and viewpoint on things. Going to try to start integrating some of Daniels stuff into the model.
Ernest Michael Olmos:
2. When I got SE, one of the changes in perception was that I could move from one thing that I was looking to another faster, there was less "holding".

Each time a "selfing process" gets shut down, there seems to be additional available resources no longer being taken up.
Ernest Michael Olmos:
When I got 2nd, I found that when I focused on something, I couldn't focus on it alone, without watching the surroundings. In fact, I thought that I had a problem with the focus of my vision. What you describe as 3rd path ("Panoramic visual field that holds the focal point") seems very similar to what I got at 2nd (and in fact you describe it better emoticon). Maybe I got 3rd???
There is some variance to how things unfold, Some people seem to get first and second at the same time though it is very vary rare and they may have just been born with 1st, or got it without knowing it. <----take with a grain of salt as I dont have enough data points to make a solid guess but that rarely stops me from speculating off of to little data.

If you mess with your vision enough apparently you can open it up to panoramic view. I first noticed it during first path honeymoon period. I have read of people who got this attainment by itself from doing eye exercises to improve vision, there is a local guy who teaches these exercises and I have tried to stop in and chat with him several times to get details.
So aparently you can start 3rd path work with no other attainments possibly though i suspect its a bit harder to do this way.... This is where maps fail to predict outliers or all possible real life scenarios.

Ernest Michael Olmos:
3. I follow a strict low fat vegan diet (Esselstyn, McDougall, Greger) etc. While on it my total cholesterol dropped from 180 to 90 and my LDL from 120 to 40.
Everyone is different, but what you eat can affect arterial health a lot (if you are serious about it).
I really dislike the cholesterol hypothesis. It is old and flawed from the beginning but sells statins. I tend to think cholesterol is an innocent bystander and plays an intergral role in trying to fix the problem but gets hyjacked.. My most recent thoughts on it is that cholesterol is a food for a fungal infection that then the macrophages can not digest, it then gets oxydized and the foam cells develop. I am reading about the nano bacteria link currently so I may change to that theory or combine them.
I have read that long term low cholesterol is bad also.
~D

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4/23/16 1:14 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Dream Walker:

Ernest Michael Olmos:
3. I follow a strict low fat vegan diet (Esselstyn, McDougall, Greger) etc. While on it my total cholesterol dropped from 180 to 90 and my LDL from 120 to 40.
Everyone is different, but what you eat can affect arterial health a lot (if you are serious about it).
I really dislike the cholesterol hypothesis. It is old and flawed from the beginning but sells statins. I tend to think cholesterol is an innocent bystander and plays an intergral role in trying to fix the problem but gets hyjacked.. My most recent thoughts on it is that cholesterol is a food for a fungal infection that then the macrophages can not digest, it then gets oxydized and the foam cells develop. I am reading about the nano bacteria link currently so I may change to that theory or combine them.
I have read that long term low cholesterol is bad also.
~D

A good and reliable sourch of research is the Cochrane Library.
The link is http://www.cochranelibrary.com/. Here you can find a lot of scientific articles about a lot of diseases. I hope it can help you differentiate between what is most likely true and what is false. What is evidents based and what is just speculation. I wish you all the best. BTW, take a look at fasting and the Wim Hof Method, might be helpful.

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4/25/16 9:17 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
1. Good idea trying to integrate Daniel's stuff.

2. I still consider myself as 2nd path. There is a very small chance that I got first path some years before I started formal meditation, but it's very unlikely.
What happens to vision is very interesting. However, I never tried to open it (at least not consciously). I usually notice sensations, 3Cs, etc.
The fact that it suddenly changed after 2nd path was really unexpected.

3. I agree about statins (they are not good).

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2/15/17 1:33 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
Kinda got off topic....oh well
I'm still alive, and speculating
Good luck all,
~D

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6/22/17 7:23 AM as a reply to Dream Walker.
I just updated the framework with the flowchart/diagram to document the all of the shifts from A&P to 4th path.

I'm not quite happy with it so far but it seems to be at a point that it may be useful so some. I've been focusing on third path and researching bunches over time to figure out this stuff as well as trying to attain it all myself.
Anyway, lots of work left to do,
~D

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6/22/17 8:36 AM as a reply to John Power.
statins:
we need cholesterol.
the basis for the idea that high cholesterol is the cause of clogged arteries is patently wrong.

while statins do reduce the cholesterol saturation they do nothing for the underlying causes of arterial clogging, like table salt scarring.

we NEED cholesterol for every cell in our body.  we NEED fats and oils but there are huge differences between oils.  the transfat poisons and lots of hydrogenated oils are horrible but uptake of coconut, olive, fish, chia, sesame, pumpkin seed, argon, leinöl (sorry the english word escapes me at the moment)

statins make you impotent.

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11/15/19 11:12 AM as a reply to P K.
Excellent stuff, thank you for sharing! The distinction between 3rd path being awareness pervading the sense doors and 4th being awareness pervading between the sense doors is really compelling and makes a lot of sense. This model confirms my suspicions I'm somewhere in the long, subtle 3rd path slog. The sense doors are "transparent" in isolation, but complex cross-sensory events (like somatic pain from loud noises, or visual distortions from head pain) can still cause contracted clinging and the attendant suffering.

I hope your heart is doing well. Thank you for continuing to share your work.

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11/15/19 1:00 PM as a reply to Matthew.
I'm somewhere in this territory as well and find myself regularly revisiting this thread for inspiration and new places to look for distortion and fabrication.

It's the all day, every day part that's certainly still needs work.

Thank you for sharing and wishing you a full recovery!