Fruition Mahamudra experience

Echo 10, modified 8 Years ago at 4/7/15 5:40 PM
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Fruition Mahamudra experience

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Fruition Mahamudra seems to be a glorified way of saying: ordinary experience. At least that's how the "ordinary experience", seems be to experienced, in experience.

User Chuck Kasmire posted a long list of qualities that Reggie Rays lists that are associated with the fruition mahamudra experience (in my words: the ordinary experience), I have excerpted them here:

Qualities:
The best description of these qualities that I have come upon are in Reggie Rays book Secret of the Vajra World. In a section titled Some Aspects of Mahamudra Experience, Reggie quotes extensively from Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche on the qualities of the Fruition Mahamudra:

Vividness: 'A pure, straight forward expression of the world of sight and smell and touchable objects as a self-existing mandala of experience...Things are seen precisely, beautifully, without any fear of launching into them'.

Ordinariness: 'One usually thinks of the spiritual journey as moving higher and higher, until we attain fulfillment that is extraordinary in the extreme, the highest of the high. However, [this is] the fulfillment of a journey downward, from our lofty ideas about the ultimate to the raw truth and reality of our lives, to the most basic, unadorned experience of what life is.'

Nakedness: The .. experience is also somewhat irritating, or even highly irritating,because of its sharpness and precision. The energies around you... are all very vivid and precise. They are all so naked and so much right in front of you, without any padding, without any walls between you and that. That nakedness is overwhelming.'

Inescapable: 'hen the world begins to become you and all these perceptions are yours and are very precise and very obviously right in front of you, you can't run away from it. … you really try to run away from these phenomena, they begin to mock you, laugh at you....You can't get away from it...You begin to feel you are just a live brain with no tissue around it, exposed on a winter morning to the cold air.”

Youthfulness: It is eternally youthful because there is no sense of repetition, no sense of wearing out of interest because of familiarity. Every experience is like a new, fresh experience.'

Great Bliss: 'You become the bliss rather than enjoying the bliss...We are talking about pleasure in the sense that everything can be included. There is a sense of reality involved in pleasure. There is a sense of truth in it. ..The bliss... is not so much great pleasure, but it is the experience of tremendous spaciousness, freedom from imprisonment, which comes from seeing through the duality of existence and realizing that the essence of truth, the essence of space, is available on this very spot.'

Communicative Power of Being: 'here is energy, intelligence, and direction in our most ordinary experience as humans. We begin to find messages coming through our experience,and these provide illumination, guidance, and help...erceptions, feelings, emotions arise in our experience. In the experience of Mahamudra, they are seen not as something already known but rather as fresh irruptions of reality, unprecedented and beyond the reach of our concepts and judgments. Each is a revelation, appearing at just that moment.'

Magic of What Is: 'Mahamudra reveals the natural order and rightness of reality at just this moment. It reveals the magic of what is. The magic of simplicity. ..When we look at things as they are on a very simple, ordinary level, we find that they are fantastically, obviously true, frighteningly true. Because of their quality of being true and obvious, things are sacred and worth respecting.'


Upon closer inspection (AKA, first glance), these seem to be almost verbatim Richard's (from the Actual Freedom Trust) way of describing his experience of the "Actual World", consisting of 'pristine purity', 'naivete', 'pure intent', 'sensate clarity', 'utter perfection' etc.

Which further lends to the notion that we are all experiencing the same thing (read: thang, ain't no thang but a chicken wang, nomsayn?)

Thoughts?

P.S

Or would you all prefer to debate the "authenticity" of noting? Haha
John Wilde, modified 8 Years ago at 4/9/15 9:09 AM
Created 8 Years ago at 4/9/15 9:09 AM

RE: Fruition Mahamudra experience

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Echo 10:
Fruition Mahamudra seems to be a glorified way of saying: ordinary experience. At least that's how the "ordinary experience", seems be to experienced, in experience.


Yep, ordinary experience, but no longer happening to an idiot.

There's the rub ;-)

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