DhO Message Board Changes

DhO Message Board Changes Chris M 24.5.2022 11:00
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Papa Che Dusko 10.5.2022 12:49
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Pepe · 10.5.2022 12:56
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Smiling Stone 10.5.2022 13:14
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 10.5.2022 14:16
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Josef C 10.5.2022 18:28
RE: A Few Message Board Changes George S 10.5.2022 21:05
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Papa Che Dusko 11.5.2022 3:48
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Siavash ' 12.5.2022 16:06
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 14.5.2022 20:16
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 15.5.2022 8:12
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 18.5.2022 17:24
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 18.5.2022 17:25
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 18.5.2022 17:34
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Pepe · 19.5.2022 3:53
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Martin 18.5.2022 22:10
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Edward 19.5.2022 0:21
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 19.5.2022 7:05
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 19.5.2022 7:17
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Papa Che Dusko 19.5.2022 8:19
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Edward 19.5.2022 8:16
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 19.5.2022 8:25
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Daniel M. Ingram 19.5.2022 9:20
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Daniel M. Ingram 19.5.2022 9:25
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Papa Che Dusko 19.5.2022 10:43
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Sigma Tropic 19.5.2022 9:53
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Monsoon Frog 20.5.2022 16:21
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 20.5.2022 16:31
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Monsoon Frog 21.5.2022 2:26
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 21.5.2022 8:16
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chrollo X 20.5.2022 17:03
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 20.5.2022 17:07
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Siavash ' 20.5.2022 19:19
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 24.5.2022 10:58
RE: A Few Message Board Changes Chris M 24.5.2022 10:48
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Eric Abrahamsen 24.5.2022 11:26
RE: DhO Message Board Changes George S 24.5.2022 18:26
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 22.6.2022 13:40
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Chris M 1.7.2022 8:42
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Chris M 22.6.2022 13:47
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 22.6.2022 13:56
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Smiling Stone 22.6.2022 14:17
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Siavash ' 22.6.2022 14:30
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 23.6.2022 13:35
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Siavash ' 23.6.2022 13:45
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö 23.6.2022 14:04
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Freya . 23.6.2022 10:54
RE: DhO Message Board Changes Freya . 23.6.2022 11:09
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 24.5.2022 11:00
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 12:37

DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi ya'll!

There will be a few changes implemented to the DhO message boards at some point today:

1. Topics or threads listings (like Recent) will now list the topic creator

2. Each message board post will include the time and date it was first posted. The date/time data by default is stored and displayed in the GMT timezone, so if you want to have the date/times displayed in your timezone, you should set it in your account settings in:

Account Settings ==> Preferences tab ==> Display Settings

For example, my time zone is central time in the US, so my Display Settings are set to GMT-5

3. Recent Items lists and search results will go back to the beginning of DhO time - so the recent posts page that previously showed 31 pages with around 600 posts, now shows 537 pages and 10,734 posts.

If you encounter any problems with these changes please post them here, thanks.

And... thanks again to Siavash!
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Papa Che Dusko, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 12:49
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 12:49

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2833 Liittymispäivä: 1.3.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
That's the spirit Siavash! emoticon Good man! 
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Pepe ·, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 12:56
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 12:56

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 730 Liittymispäivä: 26.9.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
Wow!! Great!! Many thanks to Siavash and those who help him in restoring the system's features.
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Smiling Stone, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 13:14
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 13:14

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 341 Liittymispäivä: 10.5.2016 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hooray !!! To the Dho wizard !!!
Awesome
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 14:16
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 14:16

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
Wow, the miracles just keep coming here! My heartfelt thanks! 
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Josef C, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 18:28
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 18:28

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 85 Liittymispäivä: 16.6.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
Thanks to Siavash and all who helped! The changes have been great. 
George S, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 10.5.2022 21:05
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 10.5.2022 21:05

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2722 Liittymispäivä: 26.2.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Awesome - thanks Siavash emoticon

This brings the DhO archive back to life emoticon
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Papa Che Dusko, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 11.5.2022 3:48
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 11.5.2022 3:48

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2833 Liittymispäivä: 1.3.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
Now it's only left to get the thread go down automatically to the last post and all will feel great in Samsara again emoticon
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Siavash ', muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 12.5.2022 16:06
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 12.5.2022 16:05

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 1697 Liittymispäivä: 5.5.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Thanks everyone!
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Papa Che Dusko
Now it's only left to get the thread go down automatically to the last post ...
Yes, we are trying to fix that one too. If everything goes well, that'll be done hopefully.
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 14.5.2022 20:16
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 14.5.2022 20:14

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Head's up, everyone.

Message board posts will now list when the original post was made (date and time) and again when the most recent edit (modification) was made to the post, also listing the date and time.

Thanks again, Siavash.

<<Edited about two minutes after the first post.>>
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 15.5.2022 8:12
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 15.5.2022 8:12

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
This is fabulous! Wohoo! 
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 18.5.2022 17:24
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 18.5.2022 17:23

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
More changes are coming to the DhO message boards today.

The topic shortcuts that you may recall from a few years ago will appear again at the very top of the display for each topic. These shortcuts appear as a series of links, one for each post on the topic. An indented link is a reply to the post in the previous link in the list. A bold typeface link is a post that remains unread by you. So, you'll be able to see which posts you've read and which you haven't when you first visit each topic after having been away from the message boards.

There is also a link in the lower right-hand corner of each message that says “Top,” with a green arrow. next to it. That link will take you back to the top of the thread. Clicking that link will not mark the message as “read” in the shortcut list, however. If you refresh the page, all of the shortcut links will be marked as read. This behavior is part of how Liferay is structured and can’t be changed, but we think having these features is, on balance, a great improvement for all of us as we navigate the DhO message boards.

​​​​​​​I remember using these shortcuts all the time when we had them before, so I'm thrilled to have them back. They make navigating to specific posts on a topic much, much easier.

And thanks to Siavash, once again.

Enjoy!
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 18.5.2022 17:25
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 18.5.2022 17:24

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
Wow, I see that the old thread structure options are coming back?! Fantastic! Do we have Siavash to thank again? 

Edited: I see that Chris has already made the announcment while I was typing! 
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 18.5.2022 17:34
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 18.5.2022 17:34

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
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Pepe ·, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 3:53
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 18.5.2022 18:19

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 730 Liittymispäivä: 26.9.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
wow!!! Never thought I would see the tree view back again. Thanks!! emoticon
Martin, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 18.5.2022 22:10
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 18.5.2022 22:10

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 859 Liittymispäivä: 25.4.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
Awesome! 

That makes life so much easier. Thanks, you guys!
Edward, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 0:21
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 0:17

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 129 Liittymispäivä: 10.6.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Any chance the camel coloured background could be upgraded to something less hideous? It puts me off getting enlightened. 
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 7:05
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 7:04

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Edward, the background can be changed easily. I had it set to a light blue color some time ago and then someone else wanted it changed to the current color. Shall we hold a referendum? How much does the background color matter?

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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 7:17
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 7:17

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Well, I decided to change the message board background color to blue. Holler at me here if you find this color objectionable.
Edward, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 8:16
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 8:16

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 129 Liittymispäivä: 10.6.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Love the blue. Thanks for changing. 
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Papa Che Dusko, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 8:19
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 8:19

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2833 Liittymispäivä: 1.3.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
Oh no not the 80's Blue colored bathroom tiles, please no! Fuck I too will have issues to awaken with this color hitting me poor neurons!!! 

What about Surf Green? Everybody likes surf green and is not as aggressive as Candy Apple Red. 
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 8:25
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 8:25

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
I'm partial to the blue background myself.
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Daniel M Ingram, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 9:20
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 9:20

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 3274 Liittymispäivä: 20.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Very thankful for Siavash's and Chris' fine work on this!

I personally would make the blue more light/pale, as the contrast isn't great for my slightly aging eyes, but appreciate the calming effect.
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Daniel M Ingram, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 9:25
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 9:25

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 3274 Liittymispäivä: 20.4.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
Ok, that's better! #E1FAFF seems easier to read to me and has just a hint more green in it. Let me know if that works well for people.
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Sigma Tropic, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 9:53
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 9:53

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 368 Liittymispäivä: 27.6.2017 Viimeisimmät viestit
Siavash Samadhi Level 8!
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Papa Che Dusko, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 19.5.2022 10:43
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 19.5.2022 10:43

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2833 Liittymispäivä: 1.3.2020 Viimeisimmät viestit
It's nice this shade of blue-green is! 
Monsoon Frog, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 20.5.2022 16:21
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 20.5.2022 16:14

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 73 Liittymispäivä: 16.3.2014 Viimeisimmät viestit
Much gratitude to Siavash and everyone involved in the forum upgrades ... having the message tree back is truly mindblower!!! [With the message tree gone navigating threads with a ton of posts became quite cumbersome and at times truly daunting].

Liking the blue background as well : )

Question: is there an spell checker?
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 20.5.2022 16:31
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 20.5.2022 16:31

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hey Monsoon!

​​​​​​​There is no spellchecker inside Liferay or DhO. That said, I use a third party spell and grammar checker called "Grammarly" and that then spell checks for me as I post here in real time.
Chrollo X, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 20.5.2022 17:03
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 20.5.2022 17:03

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 65 Liittymispäivä: 11.1.2022 Viimeisimmät viestit
This forum is getting sexy now. Thanks Siavash and Chris.
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 20.5.2022 17:07
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 20.5.2022 17:07

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
This forum is getting sexy now.

I'd like to think of it as productively usable now. 
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Siavash ', muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 20.5.2022 19:19
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 20.5.2022 19:19

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 1697 Liittymispäivä: 5.5.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Question: is there an spell checker?

Hey Monsoon,
As Chris said, there is no spellchecker in the default editor, but if you click the Advanced Reply button, and in that editor, click the Source button and click on the text inside the editor, it does the spell checking there. Hopefully we can have the spell checker in the default editor too in the future.
Monsoon Frog, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 21.5.2022 2:26
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 21.5.2022 2:17

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 73 Liittymispäivä: 16.3.2014 Viimeisimmät viestit
Okey-doke … a legacy experience and throwback to another computing era.
(as I reflect for the first time in years on the march of spelling technology and the dust gathering volumes marooned on my bookshelf, including a Compact OED with its 2.xx point type size and mandatory magnifying glass emoticon

Hey Monsoon,
As Chris said, there is no spellchecker in the default editor, but if you click the Advanced Reply button, and in that editor, click the Source button and click on the text inside the editor, it does the spell checking there. Hopefully we can have the spell checker in the default editor too in the future.
Ah hah ... there is one!
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 21.5.2022 8:16
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 21.5.2022 8:16

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
That one is part of your browser, not part of DhO or Liferay  emoticon
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 24.5.2022 10:58
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 24.5.2022 10:46

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
At some time today, the DhO message boards will get another upgrade. This time, two different optional views of threads will be the focus. You will be able to choose the view you like:

1. Tree view - this is the view we've been using for a while now, where replies to individual comments show up underneath those comments

2. Flat view (my personal favorite) - this view shows all posts and replies in chronological order based in the original posting date

Both of these views will continue to show the posting tree at the top of the page.

Please use the new views as you see fit and post any problems you encounter here on this topic.

Thanks to Siavash, we have a choice!

​​​​​​​*** This enhancement is now live ***
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Chris M, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 24.5.2022 10:48
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 24.5.2022 10:48

RE: A Few Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
You can find the tree and flat view options on the right-hand side of the topic header. They are labeled as such.

Have at it!
Eric Abrahamsen, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 24.5.2022 11:26
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 24.5.2022 11:26

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 67 Liittymispäivä: 9.6.2021 Viimeisimmät viestit
Awesome to see all these improvements! Thanks Siavash and ChrisM!
George S, muokattu 2 Vuodet sitten at 24.5.2022 18:26
Created 2 Vuodet ago at 24.5.2022 18:26

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 2722 Liittymispäivä: 26.2.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Samsara is positively rocking!

Thanks Siavash emoticon

Back to the future!
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 22.6.2022 13:40
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 22.6.2022 13:40

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
There seem to be some technical issues today, and I don't know if they are related to ongoing changes or something else. In my log today I couldn't see the new post from Freya. I tried over and over. Then I changed from flat view to tree view, and suddenly I could see it and reply to it, and then I added an additional post. Now a friend told me that he can't read the last three messages in my log.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to report it. 
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Chris M, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 22.6.2022 13:47
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 22.6.2022 13:42

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
This is the place! - to report any message board issues. I just tried and was able to replicate that problem on your log, Linda. The only way I could find to fix it was to change back and forth from "flat" to "tree" view, and then back again. I'll notify Siavash, our Liferay shaman.

EDIT: email sent.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 22.6.2022 13:56
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 22.6.2022 13:56

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
Great, thanks!
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Smiling Stone, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 22.6.2022 14:17
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 22.6.2022 14:17

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 341 Liittymispäivä: 10.5.2016 Viimeisimmät viestit
Yes, thanks for the tip, Linda (flat view to tree view) : it worked for me as well. I replied, it was taking a looong time and the message disappeared, so I gave up and left, but my reply appeared in the end... Great.
I wanted to renew my thanks to Siavash, because the Dho is back to its old self, largely thanks to him (and to the others who run the thing behind the scene,winks to Chris and to a few more...). Ok, old self is not perfect (which self is?) but is usable at least, once again... especially on a smartphone to navigate long threads.
So, once again, hurray to the Dho wizard !
And metta
smiling stone
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Siavash ', muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 22.6.2022 14:30
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 22.6.2022 14:30

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 1697 Liittymispäivä: 5.5.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi,

Thanks Linda for reporting the problem. I had not seen it before. I'll investigate it to see what's the problem.

​​​​​​​Thank you Smiling Stone for the kind words.
Freya , muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 23.6.2022 10:54
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 23.6.2022 10:54

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 64 Liittymispäivä: 15.8.2021 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi I have reduced functionality, all I can do is reply on others posts. There is no function for me to start a new thread. Is this an issue with my browser or the site?
Freya , muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 23.6.2022 11:09
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 23.6.2022 11:09

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 64 Liittymispäivä: 15.8.2021 Viimeisimmät viestit
Hi I just worked out how to start new posts. Thanks!
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 23.6.2022 13:35
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 23.6.2022 13:35

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
For the record, the same problem has been encountered in my log 2, so I suspect that it happens to lengthy threads. Changing from flat view to tree view made the invisible posts appear there as well. 
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Siavash ', muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 23.6.2022 13:45
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 23.6.2022 13:45

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 1697 Liittymispäivä: 5.5.2019 Viimeisimmät viestit
Yes it seems that there is an issue in the flat view with threads that have high number of posts. For now please use the tree view for those threads, I'll try to find the causing and fix it.
​​​​​​​Thanks.
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Linda ”Polly Ester” Ö, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 23.6.2022 14:04
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 23.6.2022 14:04

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 7134 Liittymispäivä: 8.12.2018 Viimeisimmät viestit
Awesome! Thanks! _/\_ We are so lucky to have you here. 
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Chris M, muokattu 1 Vuosi sitten at 1.7.2022 8:42
Created 1 Vuosi ago at 1.7.2022 8:42

RE: DhO Message Board Changes

Viestejä: 5249 Liittymispäivä: 26.1.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
The "invisible" last post problem has cropped up again on a very long topic:

https://www.dharmaoverground.org/discussion/-/message_boards/message/22227546

Murupolku