"Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

A Dietrich Ringle, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten at 26.2.2014 18:11
Created 10 Vuodet ago at 26.2.2014 18:11

"Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 881 Liittymispäivä: 4.12.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Imagine you just woke up after dying.

What's the first thing that you would think of.

Bingo.
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Beoman Claudiu Dragon Emu Fire Golem, muokattu 10 Vuodet sitten at 26.2.2014 18:23
Created 10 Vuodet ago at 26.2.2014 18:23

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 2227 Liittymispäivä: 27.10.2010 Viimeisimmät viestit
"What the fuck is going on?"
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Richard Zen, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 9.8.2014 17:50
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 9.8.2014 17:50

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 1665 Liittymispäivä: 18.5.2010 Viimeisimmät viestit
A Dietrich Ringle, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 23.9.2014 14:56
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 23.9.2014 14:56

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 881 Liittymispäivä: 4.12.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Once upon a time, there was a couple that found themselves in perfect bodies, with perfect bliss, in perfect union, and perfect everything. Since everything was perfect, they had no need to do anything, except just sit there.

And then there was impermanence.

This had the effect of creating desire in the hearts of the couple, so they thought (this had the effect of growing a couple limbs and doing some other weird stuff to them.).

They conceived that there must be something better than perfection. This was a monstrosity.

Out of this monstrosity came forth creation and destruction.

I was born into an imperfect world.

BREAK

Somewhere down in the depths of my mind this memory remained, but fractured into pieces. I had to reconstruct these images in order that I could let go of my desire to create, and subsequently destroy.

La la la la la life goes on, and now I can look for my mother, because she is eluding me at the moment.
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Not Tao, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 23.9.2014 15:18
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 23.9.2014 15:18

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 995 Liittymispäivä: 5.4.2014 Viimeisimmät viestit
"Ah, I must not actually be dead."
J C, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 23.10.2014 3:39
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 23.10.2014 3:39

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 644 Liittymispäivä: 24.4.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
Adam Dietrich Ringle:
Imagine you just woke up after dying.

What's the first thing that you would think of.

Bingo.


Someone explain this? I don't understand at all.
A Dietrich Ringle, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 24.10.2014 8:53
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 24.10.2014 8:53

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 881 Liittymispäivä: 4.12.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Sorry. 
J Adam G, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 24.10.2014 12:21
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 24.10.2014 12:21

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 286 Liittymispäivä: 15.9.2009 Viimeisimmät viestit
This is exactly the point. It's a koan. The point is cultivating the open, curious, beginner's-mind state that comes between asking a question and getting an answer. If there's no answer, there's no hard limit as to how long the open-mindedness can last. 

Of course, it doesn't last, and that's why it's called "practice" -- it'll last longer the more you do this. It evolves into a choiceless awareness practice, depending on your time invested and your concentration ability. Expect qualities of the 4th and formless jhanas to permeate these sorts of practices.

If the question is easily answered, it won't work. For example, I can't use the "what is the sound of one hand clapping" koan because my mind very definitively answers with the sound of a single hand moving through the air. A question that makes even less sense, like the one the OP gave us, is preferable to those with very logical minds that find answers for less-unanswerable questions.
J C, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 24.10.2014 22:54
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 24.10.2014 22:54

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 644 Liittymispäivä: 24.4.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
J Adam G:
This is exactly the point. It's a koan. The point is cultivating the open, curious, beginner's-mind state that comes between asking a question and getting an answer. If there's no answer, there's no hard limit as to how long the open-mindedness can last. 

Of course, it doesn't last, and that's why it's called "practice" -- it'll last longer the more you do this. It evolves into a choiceless awareness practice, depending on your time invested and your concentration ability. Expect qualities of the 4th and formless jhanas to permeate these sorts of practices.

If the question is easily answered, it won't work. For example, I can't use the "what is the sound of one hand clapping" koan because my mind very definitively answers with the sound of a single hand moving through the air. A question that makes even less sense, like the one the OP gave us, is preferable to those with very logical minds that find answers for less-unanswerable questions.


Ooh... I like it!

As far as the "one hand clapping" koan - my understanding was that it's a reference to nonduality, and upon reaching nonduality you find that what you thought were two separate things (subject and object, duality, the "two hands clapping") was actually not ("one hand clapping").
A Dietrich Ringle, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 21.2.2015 21:57
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 21.2.2015 21:57

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 881 Liittymispäivä: 4.12.2011 Viimeisimmät viestit
Sleeping Buddha Syndrome:
Imagine you just woke up after dying.

What's the first thing that you would think of.

Bingo.


The problem inherent in this type of practice, which as of late has most consisted of me watching TV in my parents room at night, is that it assumes that the parents will have any sort of presence in the first place
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Bill F, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 22.2.2015 0:01
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 21.2.2015 23:56

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 556 Liittymispäivä: 17.11.2013 Viimeisimmät viestit
If you think it's like that you just need to go somewhere where there's not so many things. Find a safe place there. Lie down. Breathe. It feels good to be free. Does it not? Once you have gathered it into yourself then set it free, let it go, there's only so much time to waste. And when you have arrived, you will know, HERE I AM, no less. No more too, though. Arrived...Like a clock on the wall. Or a kitten sipping milk before a nap in the sun.

Edit: Edited for clarity
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Laurel Carrington, muokattu 9 Vuodet sitten at 22.2.2015 10:47
Created 9 Vuodet ago at 22.2.2015 10:46

RE: "Mom and Dad, where are you?" Practice

Viestejä: 439 Liittymispäivä: 7.4.2014 Viimeisimmät viestit
Sleeping Buddha Syndrome:
Imagine you just woke up after dying.

What's the first thing that you would think of.

Bingo.

I'd think, "Where'd she go?" And then I'd remember that it is only after dying that we wake up. 

ETA: That's two things. Hm. 

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