Nimita Needed?

adam Girouard, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 21:52 10/02/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 21:52 10/02/21

Nimita Needed?

פרסומים: 6 תאריך הצטרפות: 03/12/19 פרסומים אחרונים
Hey Everyone,

  Ajhan Brahm seems to really advocate the Nimita to get into higher Jhanas.  I am wondering what people's experiences are on this?  Is a nimita required to access the formless realms?  Is this a definite sign to show one's concentration level?  Thanks
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David Matte, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 15:00 26/02/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 05:56 11/02/21

RE: Nimita Needed?

פרסומים: 109 תאריך הצטרפות: 03/08/19 פרסומים אחרונים
Hey,

I can only share my view. The patibhagga nimitta (counter image sign) that Ajahn Brahm advocates is a sure sign of deep concentration but not necessary to attain the formless jhanas.

Although ​​​​​​it would seem having first cultivated the nimitta probably does lead to deeper formless jhanas. I have never done so, however.
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Nicita Dikut Nicita Dikut, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 05:44 26/02/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 05:44 26/02/21

RE: Nimita Needed?

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Stephen, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 15:52 26/02/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 07:42 26/02/21

RE: Nimita Needed?

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Hi Adam, this isn't answering the question about whether or not it's required but from my own experience I couldn't get into the formless realms until I was working with the nimita or "luminous jhanas" as they're called in The Mind Illuminated. These don't come into play until around stage 8 when your concentration is really well tuned. When I was working in earlier TMI stages and accessing jhana through piti/pleasure they were fairly weak and I never moved past the second jhana. That's not to say it isn't possible, but the depth of jhana when acccessed through the nimita was a lot more stable and workable for me.
Martin, שונה לפני 3 שנים at 16:17 26/02/21
Created 3 שנים ago at 16:17 26/02/21

RE: Nimita Needed?

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It depends on what you mean by higher jhanas. For the formless realms (j5-8), no. For VM-style jhanas, it seems to be. Here is a discussion. 

http://rc.leighb.com/more/Nimitta.htm

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