Wilber-Horn Matrix? - Discussion
Wilber-Horn Matrix?
shargrol, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 06:59 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 06:59 15/06/22
Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 2521 תאריך הצטרפות: 08/02/16 פרסומים אחרונים
Anybody have a link or a description or a graphic or the actual matrix of the Wilber-Horn Matrix?
This Buddhist Geeks email/advertisement provoked my curiousity (underlining is mine):
Waking up and growing up in a world in crisisJune 12 - September 13, 2022This training is a deepening of the foundation cultivated in our introductory Integral Dharma Training. Our focus for Advanced Integral Dharma is integrating Waking Up and Growing Up into a single practice and experience, combining states of consciousness and stages of development through The Phases of Insight and Ken Wilber’s model of ego development (first created by Vince Fakhoury Horn as the ‘Wilber-Horn Matrix’). We will inhabit these states and stages experientially through Social Meditation, particularly the form of Zen Noting. What we discover through these practices and exploration will be done in the context of being of benefit in an increasingly complex world in crisis.
(which links to this webpage: https://www.buddhistgeeks.training/advanced-integral-dharma/)
This Buddhist Geeks email/advertisement provoked my curiousity (underlining is mine):
Waking up and growing up in a world in crisisJune 12 - September 13, 2022This training is a deepening of the foundation cultivated in our introductory Integral Dharma Training. Our focus for Advanced Integral Dharma is integrating Waking Up and Growing Up into a single practice and experience, combining states of consciousness and stages of development through The Phases of Insight and Ken Wilber’s model of ego development (first created by Vince Fakhoury Horn as the ‘Wilber-Horn Matrix’). We will inhabit these states and stages experientially through Social Meditation, particularly the form of Zen Noting. What we discover through these practices and exploration will be done in the context of being of benefit in an increasingly complex world in crisis.
(which links to this webpage: https://www.buddhistgeeks.training/advanced-integral-dharma/)
genaro, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 08:46 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 08:46 15/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 126 תאריך הצטרפות: 23/11/19 פרסומים אחרונים
from a search engine
https://www.paulhelfrich.com/library/Helfrich_P_The_Five_Phases_of_Wilber.pdf
page 35 figure 6 maybe, but there's plenty of other graphics
I always thought the matrix (the film) was like being trapped in a ken wilbur nightmare, internet search confirms this!
this also popped up :
https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/aw0vk3/theory_should_i_care_who_ken_wilber_is_and_why/
but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?
https://www.paulhelfrich.com/library/Helfrich_P_The_Five_Phases_of_Wilber.pdf
page 35 figure 6 maybe, but there's plenty of other graphics
I always thought the matrix (the film) was like being trapped in a ken wilbur nightmare, internet search confirms this!
this also popped up :
https://www.reddit.com/r/streamentry/comments/aw0vk3/theory_should_i_care_who_ken_wilber_is_and_why/
but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?
Chris M, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 08:50 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 08:50 15/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 5265 תאריך הצטרפות: 26/01/13 פרסומים אחרוניםshargrol, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 13:21 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 09:20 15/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 2521 תאריך הצטרפות: 08/02/16 פרסומים אחרוניםgenaro
but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?
but of course, Shargol, you are too strong to be fooled by this waffle, no?
As Wilber once said, "no one is smart enough to be wrong all the time" -- which I also apply to Wilber's ideas
![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
(and I do my best to apply it to shargrol's ideas, too!
![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif)
shargrol, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 17:57 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 17:57 15/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 2521 תאריך הצטרפות: 08/02/16 פרסומים אחרוניםChris M
If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn.![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn.
![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
I am not worthy of emailing Vince Horn.
Chris M, שונה לפני 2 שנים at 19:08 15/06/22
Created 2 שנים ago at 19:08 15/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 5265 תאריך הצטרפות: 26/01/13 פרסומים אחרוניםDolf An, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 16:59 30/06/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 16:59 30/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 6 תאריך הצטרפות: 20/03/22 פרסומים אחרוניםshargrol:
Chris M If I were interested in that matrix I think I'd probably email Vince Horn. ![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/smile.gif)
Chris M, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 17:08 30/06/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 17:03 30/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 5265 תאריך הצטרפות: 26/01/13 פרסומים אחרונים
Yeah, wake up!
EDIT and FYI - I just emailed Vince Horn about this. He's in Europe on a vacation but I think he'll get back to me at some point.
EDIT and FYI - I just emailed Vince Horn about this. He's in Europe on a vacation but I think he'll get back to me at some point.
shargrol, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 19:48 30/06/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 19:48 30/06/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 2521 תאריך הצטרפות: 08/02/16 פרסומים אחרוניםDolf An, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 00:02 01/07/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 00:02 01/07/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 6 תאריך הצטרפות: 20/03/22 פרסומים אחרונים
Why not write a book? Though the title seems taken, perhaps try something like Life is real only then when i am not?<br />Sorry for the bluntness anyways.
shargrol, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 05:36 01/07/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 05:36 01/07/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 2521 תאריך הצטרפות: 08/02/16 פרסומים אחרוניםAdi Vader, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 07:53 01/07/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 07:53 01/07/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 318 תאריך הצטרפות: 29/06/20 פרסומים אחרונים
Hello Sir.
I vaguely remember reading a comment of yours where you mentioned that you were working on a practice focused book.
Since then I have been keeping an eye out to see if you have made any progress or have already published.
Please know that I am (and others are too) eagerly waiting for your book.
Lots of stuff that I look forward to stealing
.
I vaguely remember reading a comment of yours where you mentioned that you were working on a practice focused book.
Since then I have been keeping an eye out to see if you have made any progress or have already published.
Please know that I am (and others are too) eagerly waiting for your book.
Lots of stuff that I look forward to stealing
![emoticon](https://www.dharmaoverground.org/o/classic-theme/images/emoticons/happy.gif)
Pepe ·, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 08:10 01/07/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 08:10 01/07/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 733 תאריך הצטרפות: 26/09/18 פרסומים אחרוניםDolf An, שונה לפני 1 שנה at 01:55 04/08/22
Created 1 שנה ago at 01:55 04/08/22
RE: Wilber-Horn Matrix?
פרסומים: 6 תאריך הצטרפות: 20/03/22 פרסומים אחרונים
Sure, good luck with writing! Would happily read your book.
They say you need also sitting muscles to write, but as you obviously already have some experience with sitting, what else could you need besides those and the oh so unreliable luck?
They say you need also sitting muscles to write, but as you obviously already have some experience with sitting, what else could you need besides those and the oh so unreliable luck?