The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness - Discussion
The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
Tom Smith, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 03/09/19 12:51
Created 4 Anos ago at 03/09/19 12:51
The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
Postagens: 140 Data de Entrada: 17/02/10 Postagens Recentes[size=3]You are probably familiar with the 5 hindrances. If not do a google | |
and you will find plenty of info. | |
I experience all of the 5 hindrances on a regular basis, but they | |
don't list what for me is the biggest hindrance, which is | |
forgetfulness. | |
When I sit in meditation I notice two types of wondering mind. In | |
the first type I notice a thought and let it go. In the second type | |
I am sitting serenely, following my breath, noticing thoughts and | |
letting them go, following my breath, and then suddenly I realize | |
that for the last 5 minutes I have been thinking about home repairs | |
and have totally forgotten I am meditating. Then I come back to the | |
breath, and then notice that for the last several minutes I have | |
been thinking about how my mind wonders and have totally forgotten I | |
am meditating. And so on and so on. If I am sitting for longer | |
periods of time the forgetfulness declines but never stops. I would | |
say that usually in the first hour of meditation at least half the | |
time I am in a state of forgetfulness that I am even meditating. In | |
the second hour I still may be forgetting more than half the time, | |
but still at least 1/4 or 1/3 of the time. On retreats I become | |
more concentrated, but still am regularly forgetting that I am | |
meditating. | |
Talking to friends, this is pretty common. | |
I wonder why forgetfulness is not listed as one of the 5 hindrances? | |
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spatial, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 03/09/19 16:55
Created 4 Anos ago at 03/09/19 16:54
RE: The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
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It sounds to me like you are experiencing two of the hindrances here: doubt and aversion.
You doubt that you are meditating correctly. Personally, I don't see forgetfulness as being a problem. You eventually notice when the mind has left your meditation, and you bring it back. Sounds like you're doing it right! That's the point of the practice. If the mind never wandered, you wouldn't need to practice.
Aversion might be harder to track down, but I suspect it is the cause of your forgetfulness. If you were completely fascinated by what was going on in your meditation, your mind would not be wandering. So, I imagine that there is something showing up in meditation that is distasteful to you, and so you start thinking about home repairs as a distraction. But again, the more you keep bringing the mind back to the meditation, the more awareness you'll develop around that matter.
You doubt that you are meditating correctly. Personally, I don't see forgetfulness as being a problem. You eventually notice when the mind has left your meditation, and you bring it back. Sounds like you're doing it right! That's the point of the practice. If the mind never wandered, you wouldn't need to practice.
Aversion might be harder to track down, but I suspect it is the cause of your forgetfulness. If you were completely fascinated by what was going on in your meditation, your mind would not be wandering. So, I imagine that there is something showing up in meditation that is distasteful to you, and so you start thinking about home repairs as a distraction. But again, the more you keep bringing the mind back to the meditation, the more awareness you'll develop around that matter.
Tom Smith, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 03/09/19 22:13
Created 4 Anos ago at 03/09/19 22:13
RE: The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
Postagens: 140 Data de Entrada: 17/02/10 Postagens RecentesLinda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 04/09/19 01:46
Created 4 Anos ago at 04/09/19 01:45
RE: The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
Postagens: 7134 Data de Entrada: 08/12/18 Postagens RecentesLinda ”Polly Ester” Ö, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 05/09/19 05:48
Created 4 Anos ago at 05/09/19 05:48
RE: The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
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After some thinking, it might as well occur as a result of restlessness, because it is easy to get lost in the content of thoughts that pop up. So maybe it’s a mix of different hindrances that leads to forgetfulness. Unless of course one has a memory problem with biological causes.
Tom C, modificado 4 Anos atrás at 05/09/19 08:14
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RE: The 5 hindrances and forgetfulness
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I think as everything Dharma related - their are multiple causes and courses of action. My advice would be;
Getting lost in thought is usually a sign you are identified with the content of the thought - and take more pleasure from that, then from observing the breath.
1) Gain insight into the imaginary, illusive, voidness & ultimate unsatissfactory of all thought
2) Following the previous contemplate where thought comes from and why it manifests - casuality & dependant co-arising
3) Following from above - with an understanding that things are arising on there own dependant on the past and present conditions - let go of any idea of there being a 'you' or anything controlling the thoughts - they arise on their own and are worthless
4) Clearly seeing the worthless casually arising thoughts - learn to cultivate the joy in letting go of everything and how good it is to follow something so simple and pure and real as the breath. - Learn to cherish the breathe as an object that brings you into the present, a life giver, and a great teacher
Hope this helps
Getting lost in thought is usually a sign you are identified with the content of the thought - and take more pleasure from that, then from observing the breath.
1) Gain insight into the imaginary, illusive, voidness & ultimate unsatissfactory of all thought
2) Following the previous contemplate where thought comes from and why it manifests - casuality & dependant co-arising
3) Following from above - with an understanding that things are arising on there own dependant on the past and present conditions - let go of any idea of there being a 'you' or anything controlling the thoughts - they arise on their own and are worthless
4) Clearly seeing the worthless casually arising thoughts - learn to cultivate the joy in letting go of everything and how good it is to follow something so simple and pure and real as the breath. - Learn to cherish the breathe as an object that brings you into the present, a life giver, and a great teacher
Hope this helps